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You're right. So let me try to explain it to you. After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the people and government of the United States decided anybody with Japanese ancestry, both citizen and non-citizen, was a danger to the country. All Japanese Americans on the West Coast were eventually rounded up, forced to abandon all their possessions that they couldn't carry on their backs, packed into cattle cars, and concentrated in very small camps in the interior of the country. Short wave radios and cameras had been confiscated from the Japanese and the government didn't allow photographs to be taken of the round ups. What did the government have to hide?

Not that I am supporting what they did in any way but radios and cameras are things you don't normally allow in prisons. Why does that seem to surprise you?

Wild rumors about bizarre methods of execution involving bats and atomic fission sometimes were heard but the government never confirmed anything. There aren't any official US documents discussing the extermination policy. The camps in the east where the exterminations took place don't yield any evidence that the exterminations took place. Very few people have even looked for physical evidence of extermination and those who have haven't found any.

Fantasy.

At the end of the war, very few Japanese Americans could be found where they had been prior to the war. Hundreds of thousands never returned.

BS. Every single one of them could be located in whatever new place they lived. Their families knew what happened to them, they continued on with their lives. None of them were missing and none of them ever claimed any were missing. 100% accountability.

The conclusion: the United States official policy was the extermination of the Japanese and only a bigot would ask for evidence of that.

If you want to prove otherwise, you need to find all the missing Japanese Americans.

The "missing" that no Japanese Americans have ever said were missing in the first place?

I don't know where you found that ridiculous example but it makes no sense.
 
Balk? Why it's easy. This is the point, somebody is lying, either the holohoax 'authorities', or the revisionists, and it's completely easy to tell which one it is.

Irregardless of your "opinion", the holocaust is established historical fact...therefore, the burden is on you to prove that the holocaust was "faked"

...as long as you deny that "burden", anything you have to say remains irrelevant.
 
...by proposing to fund with my working-class pay packet the most basic study imaginable of site where it is proposed 800 000 people perished. What sadistic taunting to offer to fly people to a site, hire GPR equipment, have an expert collect the necessary data and then allow these academics first dibs on any academic papers they would like to publish on the data.

Knock yourself out. What's keeping you from doing it?
 
Irregardless of your "opinion", the holocaust is established historical fact...therefore, the burden is on you to prove that the holocaust was "faked"

...as long as you deny that "burden", anything you have to say remains irrelevant.

If you ever acquire a facility for thinking you'll be able to see that a 'gas chamber' with unsealed wooden doors is perfectly absurd. And you'll understand that a fake gas chamber, attested to by all the holohoax authorities, DOES prove that the holohoax is indeed a fake. They are lying, simple as that.
 
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If you ever acquire a facility for thinking...

Really?...is that the best you could manage....how pedestrian.

...you'll be able to see that a 'gas chamber' with unsealed wooden doors is perfectly absurd. And you'll understand that a fake gas chamber, attested to by all the holohoax authorities, DOES prove that the holohoax is indeed a fake. They are lying, simple as that.

Then prove it...oh, wait, you can't or you would have already done so...

it's obvious...your biased, uninformed opinion remains irrelevant.
 
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To the best of my knowledge the quote is accurate.

However, if you don't believe it, prove he didn't say it !

I telephoned Arno Mayer about three years ago and discussed this point w/him, as Claudia Rothenbach, who uses the "quote" from Mayer as her sig at CODOH, was misrepresenting it also.

Hey: CR was lying. Ergo, all deniers are liars!

There's your "logic," Saggy.
 
I telephoned Arno Mayer about three years ago and discussed this point w/him, as Claudia Rothenbach, who uses the "quote" from Mayer as her sig at CODOH, was misrepresenting it also.

How does one 'misrepresent' a quote? So he said it, right. By the way, still have his number?
 
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How does one 'misrepresent' a quote? So he said it, right. By the way, still have his number?
One way someone misrepresents what someone said is by "quoting" the person without showing where the quotation comes from. You may think you're funny or clever, but, as I said, your not giving the citation helps convince people that you are making this quotation up or distorting what Mayer said or wrote. I don't have great familiarity with what Mayer wrote, but I have seen you in operation: unless you can give a proper reference, you are not remotely credible. In fact, you are coming across like a degenerate liar.
 
One way someone misrepresents what someone said is by "quoting" the person without showing where the quotation comes from. You may think you're funny or clever, but, as I said, your not giving the citation helps convince people that you are making this quotation up or distorting what Mayer said or wrote. I don't have great familiarity with what Mayer wrote, but I have seen you in operation: unless you can give a proper reference, you are not remotely credible. In fact, you are coming across like a degenerate liar.


Got it. The quote is accurate.
 
How does one 'misrepresent' a quote? So he said it, right. By the way, still have his number?

One misrepresents a quote by taking a quote from a Nazi official and attributing it to someone else.

Like you. Or CR.
 
I have already told you where to look for holocaust era Jews. If you can't find any of them there, look harder. They're there. But you better hurry because they're not going to be around forever. Other than that I don't know what to tell you.
As before you've only pointed vaguely at the globe and pretended that meant something. Not being around forever complicates reunions but doesn't pose an obstacle for history as recorded. On the contrary. I know how Cato Polak ended up here, for example, and I also know when and why Nico Henny Lindeman ended up here.

You understand that such examples create difficulties for your version of events, don't you? The dead still have more interesting things to say about history than you do. On whose behalf don't you know what to tell us anyway?

Have you ever received one of these e-mails?
Thank you for your letter about the record commemorating Nico Henny Lindeman, Please be advised that we have made the correction you requested for the record in question. We apologize for a mistake and appreciate your assistance in improving our database. As the Internet version of the Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names is only updated every few months, it may be some time until you can see this correction in the online database.
If not, what use is your endless stream of comments to me or anyone else? The suggested correction can now be seen online at YV. Can you tell "Thomas"? Utrecht has never been in Lithuania either.
 
To the best of my knowledge the quote is accurate.

However, if you don't believe it, prove he didn't say it !
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Of course, your best knowledge is simply how to parrot lies told you by other deniers whose word you blindly accept despite having been corrected on such in the past.

Allow me to demonstrate it using what passes for denier logic: I assert that it was *you* that said that, and go you one better by citing my source: post 7728 in this very thread.

Those of us not blinded by hate will get the point immediately, but I realize that at best you will ignore this post or at least pretend not to get that point, so let me explain it using as small of words as I can:

Page 152 of "Why Did The Heavens Not Darken?" contains the original.

No, sorry, forgot your thing about actual books.

Go to http://books.google.com. Search for Why Did The Heavens Not Darken. Use the Search in book function to look for the word "proletariat" look at the entry for page 152. See what it says there:
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See those things to the left of the second line? We big kids call those quotation marks, and use them to indicate the concept that what follows until the next quote mark is not our original work. This can also be assumed by Mayer's use of the ellipsis (those three dots?) indcating that he has removed some of that quote. Normal people don't tend to quote themselves nor to indicate such edits: they just write what they have to write, and don't write what they didn't mean to say. Now, look at the first 5 words there on that line. Do those appear in in your "quote" of Mayer? No, they don't.

So the answers to your questions about this, with proof and information on how you can verify that proof are: No, that's not what Mayer wrote, it's what he reported someone else as saying; and no, even that snippet you were spoon fed isn't accurate.

Have you learned your lesson about trusting deniers to tell the truth yet, or are you content with repeating their degenerate lies and having your face rubbed in it some more?
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If you ever acquire a facility for thinking you'll be able to see that a 'gas chamber' with unsealed wooden doors is perfectly absurd. And you'll understand that a fake gas chamber, attested to by all the holohoax authorities, DOES prove that the holohoax is indeed a fake. They are lying, simple as that.

Feel free to provide something, anything really, other than "argument from incredulity."

E.G. why a gas chamber with "unsealed wooden doors" is absurd.

How does one 'misrepresent' a quote? So he said it, right. By the way, still have his number?

It's called cherry picking/quote mining. Pretty much what you do every time you post here.

And if he did still have the number, why would he give it to random and probably dangerous internet nutcases?
 
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Of course, your best knowledge is simply how to parrot lies told you by other deniers whose word you blindly accept despite having been corrected on such in the past.

Allow me to demonstrate it using what passes for denier logic: I assert that it was *you* that said that, and go you one better by citing my source: post 7728 in this very thread.

Those of us not blinded by hate will get the point immediately, but I realize that at best you will ignore this post or at least pretend not to get that point, so let me explain it using as small of words as I can:

Page 152 of "Why Did The Heavens Not Darken?" contains the original.

No, sorry, forgot your thing about actual books.

Go to http://books.google.com. Search for Why Did The Heavens Not Darken. Use the Search in book function to look for the word "proletariat" look at the entry for page 152. See what it says there:

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See those things to the left of the second line? We big kids call those quotation marks, and use them to indicate the concept that what follows until the next quote mark is not our original work. This can also be assumed by Mayer's use of the ellipsis (those three dots?) indcating that he has removed some of that quote. Normal people don't tend to quote themselves nor to indicate such edits: they just write what they have to write, and don't write what they didn't mean to say. Now, look at the first 5 words there on that line. Do those appear in in your "quote" of Mayer? No, they don't.

So the answers to your questions about this, with proof and information on how you can verify that proof are: No, that's not what Mayer wrote, it's what he reported someone else as saying; and no, even that snippet you were spoon fed isn't accurate.

Have you learned your lesson about trusting deniers to tell the truth yet, or are you content with repeating their degenerate lies and having your face rubbed in it some more?
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So, let me get this straight, Saggy 1) got the quotation only half right, 2) attributed to Mayer a quotation from a Nazi source which Mayer had used to depict, in Mayer's actual words, "Nazi demonology," 3) refused to divulge where Mayer supposedly wrote the quoted words and played hide and seek instead, and 4) in this manner "misrepresented" the words, conclusions, and thoughts of a scholar - for rather obscure purposes. (Google books won't allow me to search in Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? and, entering Saggy's phrase into regular Google, as it wasn't accurate, I couldn't get a good hit for it. Thank you for pointing to where the phrase was used.)

I trust you will understand that I am not surprised in the least by your post showing the quotation in context and how Saggy misrepresented Mayer.

What is interesting, however, is the psychology that drives people like Saggy and LGR to persist, after being caught out time and again. Maybe interesting is the wrong word. But it is less readily understandable is what I mean.
 
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Originally Posted by Clayton Moore
Oh the honorable Israel card.

How about those heroic Red Cross people who risked their lives in the war zones? They said there were no genocides in the camps.

MG1962




Originally Posted by Wroclaw
He didn't deny the gas chambers, so the point is irrelevant. He merely said he wasn't aware of them.

Clayton Moore
Nor was Ike, Winnie, or de Gaulle.
Wroclaw


Which, to tell you for the hundred-thousandth time, proves or disproves nothing. None of those men were ever in Auschwitz. Aumeier was.

Do you need an ****** Venn diagram to undertand this?

Ike, Winnie, or de Gaulle were never in Auschwitz. That's why they didn't mention gas chambers in their writings after WWII?



Why are all the believer posters avoiding like the plague the following historical facts?

The Red Cross statements of those years during WWII real time were that there was no "Holocaust" type of extermination going on.

In their writings, by omission, Ike, Winnie, or de Gaulle averred that there were no gas chambers killing millions of Jewish children, women and men.
 
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