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Wroclaw said:
He didn't deny the gas chambers, so the point is irrelevant. He merely said he wasn't aware of them.
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Nobody is omniscient so not denying the gas chambers is irrelevant. Denying awareness of them is as close as any reasonable person can get to denying them.
 
Wroclaw said:
Which, to tell you for the hundred-thousandth time, proves or disproves nothing. None of those men were ever in Auschwitz. Aumeier was.

Do you need an ****** Venn diagram to undertand this?
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Blah Blah.


Go figure.

The three biggest names of the Germany's most vociferous military enemies refuse to participate in the gas chamber lie. Why? Because they didn't want to labeled LIARS in history books.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
The three biggest names of the Germany's most vociferous military enemies to refuse participate in the gas chamber lie. Why? Because they didn't want to labeled LIARS in history books.
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Riiight.

Because Churchill didn't have enough blood on his hands from the British Empire or de Gaulle from France's?

Are you serious?
 
The revisionist seem to be surprisingly reluctant to go look themselves for any clues regarding the huge number of Jews they claim to have "just gone somewhere east". Migration is always a hotbed issue, so it shouldn't be all that hard to find news about the sudden occurrence of Jews turning up at the Russians' doorstep.
That is quite surprising as they tend to latch onto any minor thing they think is incongruous. To find those Jews would seem like the first real success of their industry, so why are shying away?
I really like the revisionist standard when it comes to testimony. While survivors always need to be distrusted because they TEH JOOS, the testimony of the perpetrators is sacrosanct. Except when they talk about gassings, shootings.
Then it is always "TEH JOOS made em do it by force". No need for evidence in that case, it just is that way because the crimes didn't happen. And we know the crimes didn't happen because no nazi ever admitted to it except under force. And we know it was under force because the crimes didn't happen. And so on.
 
Moss said:
The revisionist seem to be surprisingly reluctant to go look themselves for any clues regarding the huge number of Jews they claim to have "just gone somewhere east". Migration is always a hotbed issue, so it shouldn't be all that hard to find news about the sudden occurrence of Jews turning up at the Russians' doorstep.
That is quite surprising as they tend to latch onto any minor thing they think is incongruous. To find those Jews would seem like the first real success of their industry, so why are shying away?
I really like the revisionist standard when it comes to testimony. While survivors always need to be distrusted because they TEH JOOS, the testimony of the perpetrators is sacrosanct. Except when they talk about gassings, shootings.
Then it is always "TEH JOOS made em do it by force". No need for evidence in that case, it just is that way because the crimes didn't happen. And we know the crimes didn't happen because no nazi ever admitted to it except under force. And we know it was under force because the crimes didn't happen. And so on.
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Misdirection much? They probably went to Southern Africa, South America, the UK, and the USA.
 
Wroclaw said:
Riiight.

Because Churchill didn't have enough blood on his hands from the British Empire or de Gaulle from France's?

Are you serious?
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Are you?

Why would those three leaders give a crap about telling the "alleged truth" about "alleged gas chambers?"
 
Moss said:
The revisionist seem to be surprisingly reluctant to go look themselves for any clues regarding the huge number of Jews they claim to have "just gone somewhere east". Migration is always a hotbed issue, so it shouldn't be all that hard to find news about the sudden occurrence of Jews turning up at the Russians' doorstep.
That is quite surprising as they tend to latch onto any minor thing they think is incongruous. To find those Jews would seem like the first real success of their industry, so why are shying away?
I really like the revisionist standard when it comes to testimony. While survivors always need to be distrusted because they TEH JOOS, the testimony of the perpetrators is sacrosanct. Except when they talk about gassings, shootings.
Then it is always "TEH JOOS made em do it by force". No need for evidence in that case, it just is that way because the crimes didn't happen. And we know the crimes didn't happen because no nazi ever admitted to it except under force. And we know it was under force because the crimes didn't happen. And so on.
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And the where did they go gambit falls flat on it's face again! If you're missing any Jews go to anywhere that has a large Jewish population. Find old Jews who speak with an Eastern European accent and ask them for directions.
 
Dogzilla said:
And the where did they go gambit falls flat on it's face again! If you're missing any Jews go to anywhere that has a large Jewish population. Find old Jews who speak with an Eastern European accent and ask them for directions.
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That sounds just like another lame excuse for not doing anything to look for those people you deniers allege to have survived the Holocaust. Is that all you can answer to that?
 
The willful ignorance never ceases to astound. The Red Cross and other organizations spent years after the war helping surviving family members locate one another. That's how much of my family ended up in the US in the 40s and 50s - the survivors still in Eastern Europe were put in touch with the remnants that had made it elsewhere. If there were anybody else still in Poland or Russia, they must have tried very hard not to be found. Highly unlikely, given that family would be the only support system anyone had left at that point.

Somehow, Dogzilla and his ilk would have us believe, all those untold millions of displaced Jews simply didn't care that their relatives and friends were looking for them, or that anyone would think something bad had happened if they just did nothing for the next few decades and pretended everything was hunky-dory.

For crying out loud, Israel Radio still has a daily call-in show to help try reuniting family and friends from the WWII era. Every last shred of information on people is submitted and broadcast in the hope that somebody might remember something, maybe make a connection. Any successful reunion - there have been a few over the last thirty (IIRC) years that the program has run - is trumpeted precisely because of its rarity.

But that couldn't be, could it Dogzilla? Much more reasonable to believe that all those places, "anywhere that has a large Jewish population," in your words, are just huddled masses of subhumanity, not communities with actual, caring people in them. You know, because mishpocha isn't important to yidden or anything.
 
Dogzilla said:
And the where did they go gambit falls flat on it's face again! If you're missing any Jews go to anywhere that has a large Jewish population. Find old Jews who speak with an Eastern European accent and ask them for directions.
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Technically, it's not us that are missing any Jews. Conventional wisdom has properly accounted for them, dead or alive.

You're the ones who are actually missing Jews, since the deniers are the ones who claim that x million didn't die, and despite 63 years (at least) of trying to obfuscate and equivocate on this issue, have yet to provide so much as a shred of hard proof that the conventional accounting and tracking of Jewish populations is incorrect.

The chances of finding an old Jew speaking with an East European accent who will tell anyone a novel story about the happy times he spent in the Treblinka holiday camp en route to the spa towns on the Black Sea coast seem, moreover, to be approximately zero.

This is because either:

a) all old Jews with East European accents are liars

or

b) no such journey was made, since there is no evidence anyone made such a journey.

The null hypothesis is b). None of you have given any reason to suggest that the null hypothesis is incorrect, by providing so much as one example of such a journey. Or any other journey which would start to deviate from the conventional accounting and explanation.
 
David you are nothing more than an inconvience to the revisionist/denier movement. The story of your family can not be true....just cause
 
I think Clayton's answer was more amusing: how do the old, the young and the ailing manage to emigrate from occupied German territory to somewhere halfway across the globe?
Let's look at the obstacles:
transportation: Did they all just get on trains? Where from? Where to? Why is there no testimony of trains with hundreds or thousands going somewhere from Treblinka or Auschwitz II? Did they go by ship or air from where they got to? That sounds quite problematic during the war, as most ships on every side had been requisitioned for the war effort? Who would have let them just immigrate? Why were there no news about this mass movement of people? Immigrants are almost always objected to? Why not this time? Why no news echo?
Food: who supplied them on their travel? Neither side in Eastern Europe had much to spare? Why no reporting about the plight of those travelers? That surely would have been reported on, either in the news or official documentation?
Financing: Who would have paid for it? How? Why aren't there any telegrams or reports about that?
Et cetera.
 
David Swidler said:
The willful ignorance never ceases to astound. The Red Cross and other organizations spent years after the war helping surviving family members locate one another. That's how much of my family ended up in the US in the 40s and 50s - the survivors still in Eastern Europe were put in touch with the remnants that had made it elsewhere. If there were anybody else still in Poland or Russia, they must have tried very hard not to be found. Highly unlikely, given that family would be the only support system anyone had left at that point.

Somehow, Dogzilla and his ilk would have us believe, all those untold millions of displaced Jews simply didn't care that their relatives and friends were looking for them, or that anyone would think something bad had happened if they just did nothing for the next few decades and pretended everything was hunky-dory.

For crying out loud, Israel Radio still has a daily call-in show to help try reuniting family and friends from the WWII era. Every last shred of information on people is submitted and broadcast in the hope that somebody might remember something, maybe make a connection. Any successful reunion - there have been a few over the last thirty (IIRC) years that the program has run - is trumpeted precisely because of its rarity.

But that couldn't be, could it Dogzilla? Much more reasonable to believe that all those places, "anywhere that has a large Jewish population," in your words, are just huddled masses of subhumanity, not communities with actual, caring people in them. You know, because mishpocha isn't important to yidden or anything.
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Oh the honorable Israel card.

How about those heroic Red Cross people who risked their lives in the war zones? They said there were no genocides in the camps.
 
Moss said:
I think Clayton's answer was more amusing: how do the old, the young and the ailing manage to emigrate from occupied German territory to somewhere halfway across the globe?
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Clearly, they wandered the globe for 40 years.
After all, the Bible states they were capable of it, so it must be true.

Moss said:
Let's look at the obstacles:
transportation: Did they all just get on trains? Where from? Where to? Why is there no testimony of trains with hundreds or thousands going somewhere from Treblinka or Auschwitz II? Did they go by ship or air from where they got to? That sounds quite problematic during the war, as most ships on every side had been requisitioned for the war effort? Who would have let them just immigrate? Why were there no news about this mass movement of people? Immigrants are almost always objected to? Why not this time? Why no news echo?
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Because they walked like it says in the Bible. No records needed.

Moss said:
Food: who supplied them on their travel? Neither side in Eastern Europe had much to spare? Why no reporting about the plight of those travelers? That surely would have been reported on, either in the news or official documentation?
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Obviously, food was supplied in the form of mana from heaven. The Bible proves that G_d can do this for his chosen people.


Moss said:
Financing: Who would have paid for it? How? Why aren't there any telegrams or reports about that?
Et cetera.
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But the Joos already had and controlled all of the money, of course.

Prove me wrong....

After all it makes as much sense as any other denier claim.
 
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