Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[uke2se]

There is nothing but evidence of the hoax.

The phony hoax stories published in the New York Times in 1906, 1919, etc.

Already explained. Nothing phony about those stories. Not evidence of any hoax.

The phony gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek.

Already explained. No phony gas chambers at either place. There is reconstructed gas chambers, but no phony ones. Not evidence of any hoax.

The pictures of Belsen victims published as victims of the hoax.

The pictures of victims proves that there were no victims? Not evidence of any hoax.

The phony 'confessions' of Hoess and Paul Blobel.

No phony confessions were made by either party. Not evidence of any hoax.

The Academy Award for Irene Zisblatt's absurd lies.

Our Hitler groupie hasn't even attempted to prove Zisblatt a liar. Also, an Academy Award is awarded to movies, not hoaxes. Not evidence of any hoax.

Yad Vashem's absurd pictures of hoax victims ....

Our Hitler groupie's incredulity isn't evidence of any hoax.

The USHMM's picture of the door to the Dachau hoax gas chamber ...

Our Hitler groupie hasn't been able to prove anything utoward about said picture. Not evidence of any hoax.

The suppression of the photos of the healthy children at Dachau and Auschwitz.

My guess is that what our Hitler groupie calls "surpression" most of us would call "non-existence". Not evidence of any hoax

The suppression of the pictures of thousands of healthy Dachau prisoners at the end of the war.

See above. Not evidence of any hoax.

The laws against 'holohoax denial'.

No such thing. There are laws against hate-speech, and as holocaust deniers do their thing out of hatred of Jews they often manage to break laws against such things. Nobody has ever been convicted for denying the holocaust. Not evidence of any hoax.

The statements of degenerate academics like Noam Chomsky that one "loses one's humanity" to discuss the holohoax historically.

Noam Chomsky's words are his own. Not evidence of any hoax (Saggs is really reaching here).

The Hasbara documents for combatting holohoax denial.

Strategies for combatting hate crimes are important as our Hitler groupie proves there are plenty of people with too much hate in their tiny little minds, and as has been shown with the Eric Hunt case, some of them even act on their mental instability to the detriment of normal people. Not evidence of any hoax.

Etc., etc., etc ....

Boy, you're really bad at this. What else you got? So far you've struck out completely. Where's the real evidence you insist is there?

 

[Corsair 115]

The holohoax could not exist if the Jews didn't control everything.

See, Dogzilla? Right on cue, Saggy goes to prove that my constant mentioning of his lack of evidence for this worldwide Jewish conspiracy which controls all media is entirely on point because he just brought up that angle again himself.

Only now he's broadened it. It's not just Jews control the media, now the Jews control everything.

Saggy keeps bleating this nonsense and has yet never provided ONE CREDIBLE WITNESS (to use his phrasing) to verify this supposed Jewish control of media/everything.

 

[Almo]

Doing battle with these guys is like fighting the Hydra. It's truly amazing. I've come across some interesting reading here; thanks Nick.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Doing battle with these guys is like fighting the Hydra. It's truly amazing. I've come across some interesting reading here; thanks Nick.

more like the minor irritation of spring pollen

 

[Dogzilla]

Saggy was the one who broached that subject, as a way of explaining why the "holohoax", to use his word, was so prevalent. As a result, I think it completely appropriate to keep pointing out that Saggy has utterly failed to support the angle that he himself brought up. He continually bleats about how there is no evidence for the Holocaust while ignoring there is no evidence for one of his justifications as to why the so-called "holohoax" continues on.

Me continually reminding readers of that glaring contradiction is, I think, entirely justified. It goes to Saggy's credibility, his (in)ability to support his points, and his analytical capacity (or lack of same).

Feel free to appeal to the moderators if you wish. I'll abide by their judgement on the matter.

I think you're justified in responding to people's comments in this thread. I just wish some people would stay a bit more focused so others can do so as well. I'd much rather see a Nick Terry comment that I can't respond to without doing some research than see a bunch of one liners about lying Zionists or questions about how long I've hated the Jews.

Anyway, carry on........

 

[Saggy]

I'd much rather see a Nick Terry comment that I can't respond to without doing some research than see a bunch of one liners about lying Zionists

You're missing the point. The holohoax is ABSURD ON ITS FACE. You don't need to do research. Doing research is a diversion, an implicit admission that the issue is in doubt, playing the Zionists game.

Even as a child I knew that something was amiss with the hoax. I saw the newsreels as did everyone, and even then I noted that the dead and dying were EMACIATED, and that was not consistent with gas chamber victims. If a 10 year old child can recognize a hoax, without reading Faurisson or Butz, just by seeing the hoax 'evidence' presented by the Zionists, then there is not a hell of a lot of need for research into Nick Terry's obscure irrelevancies.

That is the point. The holocaust is a complete, obvious, hoax. The persons defending it are degenerate liars the likes of which have never before been seen. It should be pointed out over and over. Demonstrated time and time again. Eventually, even the totally brainwashed may get a glimmer of the truth.

 

[LemmyCaution]

You're missing the point. The holohoax is ABSURD ON ITS FACE. You don't need to do research. Doing research is a diversion, an implicit admission that the issue is in doubt, playing the Zionists game.

Even as a child I knew that something was amiss with the hoax. I saw the newsreels as did everyone, and even then I noted that the dead and dying were EMACIATED, and that was not consistent with gas chamber victims. If a 10 year old child can recognize a hoax, without reading Faurisson or Butz, just by seeing the hoax 'evidence' presented by the Zionists, then there is not a hell of a lot of need for research into Nick Terry's obscure irrelevancies.

That is the point. The holocaust is a complete, obvious, hoax. The persons defending it are degenerate liars the likes of which have never before been seen. It should be pointed out over and over. Demonstrated time and time again. Eventually, even the totally brainwashed may get a glimmer of the truth.

This is indeed the logic of a 10 year old. And doing research is how normal people determine their views on events -- 10 year olds close their eyes, cover their ears, and wail about whatever demons they imagine to be their nemesis. Well done, Saggy.

 

[Corsair 115]

You're missing the point. The holohoax is ABSURD ON ITS FACE.

You're missing the point. The conspiracy by which Jews control everything is ABSURD ON ITS FACE.

That is the point. The holocaust is a complete, obvious, hoax.

That is the point. The idea that Jews control everything is a complete, obvious hoax.

The persons defending it are degenerate liars the likes of which have never before been seen.

The persons defending the idea that Jews control everything are degenerate liars the likes of which have never before been seen. (Er, well, that's not quite right. They have been seen before. From 1933-45 such folk were in charge of Germany and led the nation into a disastrous war, in part because of their lies about how the Jews control everything and were out to get Germany.)

It should be pointed out over and over. Demonstrated time and time again.

It should be pointed out over and over. Demonstrated time and time again. Saggy has not produced even ONE CREDIBLE WITNESS that proves there is a vast, worldwide conspiracy by which Jews control everything.

 

[MG1962]

Even as a child I knew that something was amiss with the hoax. I saw the newsreels as did everyone, and even then I noted that the dead and dying were EMACIATED, and that was not consistent with gas chamber victims.

How?

 

[TSR]

I think you're justified in responding to people's comments in this thread. I just wish some people would stay a bit more focused so others can do so as well. I'd much rather see a Nick Terry comment that I can't respond to without doing some research than see a bunch of one liners about lying Zionists or questions about how long I've hated the Jews.

Anyway, carry on........

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You mean like your comment about the Holocaust being held to different standard than other historical events, and your single minded focus on refusing to actually *cite* such another event and demonstrate that the body of evidence supporting it was handled differently?
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[LemmyCaution]

How?

A 10 year old mistaking footage from concentration camps for footage of death camps and gas chambers?

 

[Saggy]

A 10 year old mistaking footage from concentration camps for footage of death camps and gas chambers?

I didn't make a mistake as a 10 year old. The Belsen victims were presented as victims of the holoccaust, i.e. gassing victims. That was a few years ago, but it is still happening. When Oprah and Elie visited Auschwitz the opening scene, available on YouTube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZMOkYJFO0

shows them at the gates of Auschwitz, however, as the narration begins, the picture on the screens shifts to the pictures of the dead at Belsen, taken after the wars end, as Oprah solemnly intones

"Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish."

This sort of degenerate lie has been told 1,000,000 times by the US media.

 

[A'isha]

The Belsen victims were presented as victims of the holoccaust, i.e. gassing victims.

Only those people killed by Zyklon count as "holocaust victims"? All those Jews shot by the Einsatzgruppen, for instance, aren't also considered victims of the holocaust?

Anne Frank, who died of Typhus (not gassing) in the Belsen camp itself isn't considered a victim of the holocaust?

Huh.

 

[Wroclaw]

I'd like to know who claimed and when, while presenting the bodies found there, that gassing took place at Belsen.

I can imagine Saggy's answer will be "a million people a million times" and nothing specific. Any bets?

 

[Multivac]

You're missing the point. The holohoax is ABSURD ON ITS FACE. You don't need to do research.

How can you prove something without doing the research first? Research would give you the facts to dispute other peoples claims.

Doing research is a diversion, an implicit admission that the issue is in doubt, playing the Zionists game.

Doing research is a rerequisite for not sounding like an idiot, by making statements based on belief rather than proof.

Even as a child I knew that something was amiss with the hoax. I saw the newsreels as did everyone, and even then I noted that the dead and dying were EMACIATED, and that was not consistent with gas chamber victims.

You were surprised that people who were being used as slave labour, and only receiving about 300 calories of food per day, were emaciated?

That is the point. The holocaust is a complete, obvious, hoax. The persons defending it are degenerate liars the likes of which have never before been seen.

I am happy to defend the holocaust, although defend is probably the wrong word as it implies that there is something wrong with it. Strangely, I am not a degenerate liar.

It should be pointed out over and over. Demonstrated time and time again. Eventually, even the totally brainwashed may get a glimmer of the truth.

Yes, it should be pointed out again and again that the holocaust happened, and maybe brainwashed deniers will get a glimmer of the truth and realise that millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and mentally ill people were killed by the nazis.

 

[MG1962]

I didn't make a mistake as a 10 year old. The Belsen victims were presented as victims of the holoccaust, i.e. gassing victims. That was a few years ago, but it is still happening. When Oprah and Elie visited Auschwitz the opening scene, available on YouTube,

Dodge of my question noted. How did you as a 10 year old have a frame of reference to know the medical condition of the people showed in the footage did not match the claim of how they go into that condition?

 

[Saggy]

Yes, it should be pointed out again and again that the holocaust happened, and maybe brainwashed deniers will get a glimmer of the truth and realise that millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and mentally ill people were killed by the nazis.

Do you wonder where the five million figure for the number of non-Jewish victims of the holohoax comes from?

Wonder no more, just read this article by the darling of holocaustianity, Deborah Lipstadt, to discover that Simone Wiesenthal made up the number out of thin air ..... just like all the hoax numbers were made up, btw ...

http://www.jewishreviewofbooks.com/publications/detail/simon-wiesenthal-and-the-ethics-of-history

Now, if you are not a degenerate* liar you will agree with me that the number is a deliberate hoax that was perpetrated by degenerate liars.

Then, if you're with me that far, we can explore some other obvious degenerate lies.

* a degenerate lie, by way of explanation, is the opposite of a heroic lie.

 

[Saggy]

Note to Dogzilla - you'll never discover the Jewish conspiracy if you spend your time researching nonsense about what did not happen during WW II to debate Nick Terry. You need to study the conspiracy directly: the foundation is Zionism of course and the conspiracy first appears, as far as I know, in the 1906 allegations that the Soviets were systematically exterminating six million Jews, and of course it was in full swing during WW I as documented by Heddesheimer.

But to get to WW II, it seems to me that the hoax rests principally on numberous articles in the NYT ultimatedly sourced to the World Jewish Congress, the unattributed (now Vrba) report published by the WRB, and by Hoess's bogus 'confession' that was made part of the Nuremberg records when he testified as a defense witness !

If you study the hoax you'll see the hoax. If you study things that did not happen, you'll know that they did not happen, but you will be diverted from understanding the hoax. The hoax was constructed. It can be studied, the players identified, the paper trail examined. That's the point of Butz's book.

 

[Think_Tank]

If you study the hoax you'll see the hoax.

Nice to see you spell out your pre- (and ill-) conceived preconceptions. Not that they are a shock...

It can be studied, the players identified, the paper trail examined.

A paper trail? You have physical evidence? Do share...

 

[Wroclaw]

He's going to cough up ridiculous "evidence" regarding any mention of "six million Jews" that appeared in the English-language press anywhere.

Note that, demonstrably, other figures of millions of Jews appeared in the press far more often, as proved here:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/04/thomas-dalton-responds-to-roberto_29.html