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Saggy, a question for you: did you ever attend any tertiary education facility and if so, what subject did you study?

It doesn't really matter which subject, because it's pretty well established in pretty much every possible discipline or method, that you don't generalise from a single case when there are many cases that could be taken into consideration.

You construct, at the very least, a sample. But a small sample will always be inferior to a bigger sample. Conclusions based on a small sample can easily be defeated by considering a bigger sample.

Those are just facts of life. You ought to have learned them by now.
 
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Nobody cares what you asked, Saggy. Your request for 'one' witness means you score 0.5% on the Rev-O-Meter.
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And your evasive response means that you cannot name one credible Jewish witness to the holohoax, and follow that up with a detailed examination of his/her testimony. It's no surprise, no such person exists.

Remember, Y. Bauer, director of Yad Vashem, said that Filip Meuller was only one person that saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell about it. Unfortunately Filip Meuller is an obvious pathological liar.
 
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And your evasive response means that you cannot name one credible Jewish witness to the holohoax, and follow that up with a detailed examination of his/her testimony. It's no surprise, no such person exists.
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He named 200. If you wave your hands any more you'll achieve lift-off.
 
Saggy said:
And your evasive response means that you cannot name one credible Jewish witness to the holohoax, and follow that up with a detailed examination of his/her testimony. It's no surprise, no such person exists.
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I don't need to name one Jewish witness. I can name 200 Jewish, non-Jewish and German witnesses. Like so:

German– Auschwitz (24)
Rudolf Höss, Hans Aumeier, Maximilian Grabner, Friedrich Entress, Johann Kremer, Horst Fischer, Josef Kramer, Fritz Klein, Franz Hössler, Konrad Morgen, Hans Münch, Richard Baer, Walter Dejaco, Henry Storch, Hans Stark, Erich Mussfeldt, Pery Broad, Richard Böck, Karl Hölbinger, Josef Erber, Oswald Kaduk, Nowak, Kurt Prüfer, Karl Schultze
German,Collaborator –
Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka (24)
Franz Stangl, Josef Oberhauser, Kurt Gerstein, Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Hermann Höfle, Franz Suchomel, Willi Metz, Otto Horn, Erich Bauer, Alfred Ittner, Gustav Wagner, Franz Hödl, Erwin Lambert, Heinrich Barbl, Heinrich Gley, Werner Karl Dubois, Karl Alfred Schluch, Erich Fuchs, Vassily Pankov, Mikhail Razgoniaev, Ignat Danilchenko, Pavel Leleko, Walter Piller, Bruno Israel
German – Other (27)
Hermann Göring, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Dieter Wisliceny, Adolf Eichmann, Wilhelm Höttl, Richard Korherr, August Becker, Walter Rauff, Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski, Friedrich Jeckeln, Kurt Becher, Oswald Pohl, Gerhard Maurer, Kurt Schmidt-Klevenow, Anton Kaindl, Hermann Pister, Ilse Koch, Alois Hoellriegel, Paul Waldmann, Oscha Otto Hoppe, Theo Schölen, Otto Ohlendorf, Ostubaf Haensch, Paul Blobel, Hermann Graebe, Eberhard Wetzel, Victor Brack
Auschwitz – Sonderkommandos (21)
Miklos Nyiszli; Filip Müller, Sigismund Bendel, Szlama Dragon, Henryk Tauber, Henryk Mandelbaum, Andre Lettich, Stanislaw Jankowski; Milton Buki, Maurice Benroubi, David Olere, Dov Paisikovic, Joshuah Rosenblum, Josef Sackar, Saul Chasan, Jaacov Gabai, Eliezer Eisenschmidt, Leon Cohen, Shlomo Venezia, Salmen Lewental, Lejb Langfus
Auschwitz – Other (59)
Rudolf Vrba, Alfred Wetzler; Ada Bimko, Janda Weiss, Yehuda Bakon, Mordechai Lichtenstein, Liebermann, Regina Bialek, Sophia Litwinska, Ruth Elias, Klari Weiss, Primo Levi, Kitty Hart, Fania Fenelon, Olga Lengyel, Eugene Heimler, Elie Wiesel, Czeslaw Mordowicz, Arnost Rosin, Benedikt Kautsky, Moshe Garbarz, Rajzla Sadowska, Erwin Valentin, Lucie Adelsberger; Adolf Rögner, Erwin Bartel, Wilhelm Wohlfahrt, Bruno Baum, Hermann Langbein, Ella Lingens-Reiner, Walter Petzold, Otto Wolken, Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier, Jerzy Tabeau, Stanislaw Klodzinski, Stanislaw Chybinski, K.J., Franciszek Gulba, Jolan Holthost, Michal Kula, Seweryna Szmaglewskaya, Ludwig Nagraba, Zenon Rozanski, Josef Koczorowski, Ludwig Rajewski, Roman Taul, Feliks Mylyk, Zygmunt Smuzewski, Jiri Beranowsky, Eugeniusz Motz, Bogdan Glinski, Josef Vacek, Czeslaw Glowaki, Wojciech Barcz, Ludwig Banach, Wieslaw Kielar, Kazimierz Smolen, Henryk Porebski, Hugo Breiden,
Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka (52+)
‘Szlamek’, Mordechai Zurawski, Michal Podchlebnik, Shimon Srebrnik, Jankiel Wiernik, Samuel Rajzman, Elias Rosenberg, Abraham Bomba, Richard Glazar, Samuel Willenberg, Chil Rajchman, Szymon Goldberg, Tanhum Grinberg, Shalom Cohen, Abraham Goldfarb, Oskar Berger, Abe Kon, Moszeks Laks, Maniek Plakiewicz, Stanislaw Borowy, Oscar Strawczynski, Israel Cymlich, Rudolf Reder, Chaim Hirszman, Alexander Pechersky, Leon Feldhendler, Zelda Metz, Esther Rab, Stanislaw Szmajzner, Moshe Bahir, Itzak Lichtman, Eda Litchman, Aizik Rottenberg, Yehuda Lerner, Dov Ber Freiberg, Ursula Stern, Chaim Engel, Hershl Zukerman, Kurt Thomas, Thomas Blatt, Jacob Biskubicz; Stanislaw Kozak, Jan Piwonski, Jan G., Eugeniusz Goch, Edward F, Maria Daniel, Tadeusz M, Michal Kusmierczak, Eustachy Ukrainski, Jan Sulkowski, Jules Schelvis
KZ inmates (3)
Franz Blaha, Margarete Buber-Neumann, Benen Anton,
Other (10)
Zygmunt Klukowski, Paul Roser, Jan Karski, Erich Heubaum, Rozalka Schelewna Schier, Emanuel Ringelbum, Chaim Kaplan, Hersh Smolar, Heinz Rosenberg, Herman Kruk
Deluded Witnesses (2)
Moshe Peer, Irene Zisblatt
Lying Witnesses (2)
Martin Gray, Herman Rosenblatt
False Witnesses (2)
Benjamin Wilkomirski, Misha Defoncesca

go on, stomp your feet once more. You know we love it when you get angry.

Remember, Y. Bauer, director of Yad Vashem, said that Filip Meuller was only one person that saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell about it. Unfortunately Filip Meuller is an obvious pathological liar.
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0.5% on the Rev-o-Meter. Again. Jeez, Saggy, you're flatlining.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I will put Saggy on my non-liar list.
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Given your own track record of ill-informed and dishonest posting, this is hardly a ringing endorsement.

But since you have now decided to take on the task of supporting this with, you know, that evidence thingy perhaps *you* can tell us where the plumbing is connected in that gas chamber @ Dachau?
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Well I asked Saggy to do something that's easier than what Nick presented him with. I asked him to explain the supposed lying of a very few named witnesses. I found myself curious about 1) what Saggy means by a witness to the holohoax, 2) liar, 3) pathological liar, and 4) why Saggy dismisses some specific testimonies. Not only has Saggy not tried to do anything with Nick's 194 + 6 names, he won't give me the opportunity to see how he reasons and analyzes some specific cases. What is he up to in making claims which he then makes no effort to support?
 
Saggy said:
And your evasive response means that you cannot name one credible Jewish witness to the holohoax, and follow that up with a detailed examination of his/her testimony. It's no surprise, no such person exists.

Remember, Y. Bauer, director of Yad Vashem, said that Filip Meuller was only one person that saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell about it. Unfortunately Filip Meuller is an obvious pathological liar.
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Your complete non response to my request for what criteria you want for theses witnesses is equally evasive
 
The bottom line with Saggy is that he won't even make a half-hearted effort to debate the evidence. Instead, he hand-waves and dismisses no fewer than two hundred witnesses in one fell swoop.

Any lurker can see he's lost the argument.

Debating such a person is a big fat waste of time.
 
Wroclaw said:
Debating such a person is a big fat waste of time.
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So is making faces at the animals in a zoo (except the primates, apparently I'm not allowed to mention them under any circumstances at all, and most certainly not the chimps) but sometimes it's amuzing.

Speaking of zoos, CM -- do *you* have any evidence that supports Saggs' apparently dishonest post about that "childrens' zoo" to show that any child paid it a visit at any time, ever?
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Wroclaw said:
The bottom line with Saggy is that he won't even make a half-hearted effort to debate the evidence. Instead, he hand-waves and dismisses no fewer than two hundred witnesses in one fell swoop.

Any lurker can see he's lost the argument.

Debating such a person is a big fat waste of time.
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Which will be re-confirmed if 1) he fails to respond to the questions which Nick and I asked about his claim or 2) he responds with hand-waving or general blether or incoherence. But, as you know, I am mostly with you on your point; sometimes, however, illogic takes hold of me and I believe that they will set out an argument. How long have I been after LGR to lay out his "case against OSR 24" after he told Roberto and me to "just wait till" we see it? For how many posts in this very thread did I try to get deniers to spell out the history of the hoaxing? I cannot explain such moments of disquiet - and hope fervently that a more realistic sentiment, in which I do not so waste my time, will prevail, as it usually does regarding my understanding and expectations of these types.
 
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