Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[TSR]

The reason people lie is most often a form of cheating in life to get one's own way, a more favorable outcome.

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Which is, apparently, why CM posts lies so often. One of zir favourites involves calling others liars, but then refusing to actually demonstrate any such lie with anything more than more personal incredulity and posting more lies.

Found a knowing untruth on the THHP site, yet?
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The point of a lie is to not get caught in the telling of one.

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Unfortunately, CM has shown no mastery of this (one could not even call zie a talented amateur at it). Zie simply runs away when zie is called on the lies zie posts, such as when zie claimed that Krege had actually produced a report disproving the normative understanding of Treblinka -- heck, zie cannot even locate the raw data for this non-existent report so that it can be evaluated by those who have training and expertise in the use of GPR as an archaeological tool.

CM will, of course, try to distract from this lie, just like zie did to try and hide the fact that zie is unable to produce a single web site discussing Israeli / Jewish spies which has been unfairly labeled anti-semitic, which cannot also be shown using nothing but their own articles to actually have earned that description.

That is, if zie does not simply ignore this post and run away some more...
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[Clayton Moore]

I'm not a racist piece of filth who disbelieves Wienstein just because he's jewish.

I have no motivation to ask for Streeters sources.

Yet you accept and defend his lies because he is a Jew.

It's likely most of the defenders of the Holocaust are not Jewish. Why soil your hands when the goyim will fight your battles and defend your Holocaust lies for you?
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/goyim.htm

 

[TSR]

Yet you accept and defend his lies because he is a Jew.

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And you can tell that any defense offered by SoT (which you do not cite) is for the reason you have stated ... how?

Or is this another lying post on your part?
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It's likely most of the defenders of the Holocaust are not Jewish. Why soil your hands when the goyim will fight your battles and defend your Holocaust lies for you?

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In what way does countering your ideologically driven lies soil anyone's hands?
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http://library.flawlesslogic.com/goyim.htm

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Is this another of your "unfairly labeled" sites?

Must not be, or you would have offered it when asked about those before.

You really should work on that "not being caught posting lies" thing...
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[missandybrown]

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Deleted. Off topic.

 

[missandybrown]

Will some one fill me in on the holocaust debate

Why do so many people think the holocaust was a hoax? Whats their evidence for this document. This seems ridiculous, of course there was a holocaust. I'v e read countless books about personal accounts and ive actually met a holocaust survivor and saw the numbers on her arm. People who believe it was a hoax, Plz explain this to me. Im a pretty open minded person and promise to treat your input with respect.

 

[BStrong]

Why do so many people think the holocaust was a hoax? Whats their evidence for this document. This seems ridiculous, of course there was a holocaust. I'v e read countless books about personal accounts and ive actually met a holocaust survivor and saw the numbers on her arm. People who believe it was a hoax, Plz explain this to me. Im a pretty open minded person and promise to treat your input with respect.

Check out the massive on-going thread on the subject here in CT, but be warned, you will be peeking into the minds of some seriously off individuals.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Holocaust denial has a twofold objective; putting nazism back on the playing field and jews back on the chopping block. Individual Holocaust deniers may want one more than the other, or both depending on their own personal mental malfunctions.

If nazisms worst crimes never happened, then nazism rises at least to the level of "not so bad" and in the minds of its sympathizers, it becomes worth a second look.

If one could prove that six million jews faked thier own deaths in histories biggest life insurance scam, then that would prove that the jews really do run the world and something must be done about them.

 

[Corsair 115]

If nazisms worst crimes never happened, then nazism rises at least to the level of "not so bad" and in the minds of its sympathizers, it becomes worth a second look.

For that to work one must also ignore the many other transgressions of the Nazi regime beyond the Holocaust. Such as the use of forced/slave labour, the SS, the Gestapo, the plan to starve millions to death in occupied Russia...

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

For that to work one must also ignore the many other transgressions of the Nazi regime beyond the Holocaust. Such as the use of forced/slave labour, the SS, the Gestapo, the plan to starve millions to death in occupied Russia...

They'll get to that as soon as they are done disproving the Holocaust. At the rate they are going, nazism will be fully rehabilitated by 2270 AD.

 

[Clayton Moore]

They'll get to that as soon as they are done disproving the Holocaust. At the rate they are going, nazism will be fully rehabilitated by 2270 AD.

There is no they. There is only an anonymous quest for the truth.

NAZISM is dead. Good riddance.

Revisionism is the freeing of the German people of the lies used to vilify and subjugate them by parasites and haters.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Why do so many people think the holocaust was a hoax? Whats their evidence for this document. This seems ridiculous, of course there was a holocaust. I'v e read countless books about personal accounts and ive actually met a holocaust survivor and saw the numbers on her arm. People who believe it was a hoax, Plz explain this to me. Im a pretty open minded person and promise to treat your input with respect.

There was a Holocaust. That's what the Jewish survivors grew to call it. History was managed to conform to a number of Jewish people lost, 6,000,000.

I'm sure 99% or more of all revisionists respect the hardships suffered because of the Holocaust.

Self appointed Holocaust historians demand that about 3 million Jewish children, women, and men were gassed to death in concentration camps over a three year period as WWII was ending.

The IRC of that time said there was no genocide occurring in the concentration camps.

You figure it out. Was the IRC lying? Could almost 100,000 Jewish people a month be gassed and cremated in secret?

 

[MG1962]

They'll get to that as soon as they are done disproving the Holocaust. At the rate they are going, nazism will be fully rehabilitated by 2270 AD.

If Napolean is any guide I would suggest it would be closer to 100 - 150 years

 

[TSR]

Revisionism is the freeing of the German people of the lies used to vilify and subjugate them by parasites and haters.

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Harold Covington, in his persona as Winston Smith (the leader of the National Socialist White Peoples Party, formerly the American Nazi Party) disgrees. He said, in his NSNet Bulletin #5 back in 1996 that "the real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."

Isn't it funny that you keep whining about any one elses' "lies" except your own, CM?

Or have you *finally* found a single lie on the THHP site?
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[Corsair 115]

Revisionism is the freeing of the German people of the lies used to vilify and subjugate them by parasites and haters.

Perhaps someday you'll explain why this move to prove the Holocaust never happened isn't being spearheaded by Germans themselves seeing as they are the ones most affected by it and they are the ones closest to the surviving original records and documentation of the Nazi regime...

It's amazing how you completely blank out on this rather important point.

 

[TSR]

History was managed to conform to a number of Jewish people lost, 6,000,000.

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Managed by whom, exactly?
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I'm sure 99% or more of all revisionists respect the hardships suffered because of the Holocaust.

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But then, you're "quite sure" that no one notices all of the lies you post.

But this whole 'respect' thing -- is *that* why David Irving refers to the victims as <snip>?
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Self appointed Holocaust historians demand that about 3 million Jewish children, women, and men were gassed to death in concentration camps over a three year period as WWII was ending.

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Self appointed? You mean like Germar Rudolf awarding his pen names imaginary degrees so that they looked more authoritative when they wrote in support of (wait for it) Germar Rudolf?

*Actual* historians -- the kind that have actually got *real* degrees from real schools and such-like, have noted that the evidence (I realize this is a dirty word to be using to you, given your complete lack of anything even pretending to be evidence) shows that roughly that number died in that manner.
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The IRC of that time said there was no genocide occurring in the concentration camps.

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Would that be the report in which they stated that the systematic extermination of Jews was Nazi policy?
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You figure it out.

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Generations of historians and non-haters have.
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Was the IRC lying?

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Nope.

But you have been.

You know, like your lie that there are any web sites discussing Israeli / Jewish spies unfairly labeled as anti-semitic?
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Could almost 100,000 Jewish people a month be gassed and cremated in secret?

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Irrelevant, since this is not the normative understanding of these events.

Do try to learn more of the history you are so rabid to deny that you must constantly post such easily demonstrated lies in order to pretend, even to yourself, that your irrational hatred has any basis in reality...
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Profanity deleted. Do not attempt to work around the autocensor.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Loss Leader

 

[LemmyCaution]

Managed by whom, exactly?

Historians across the years and across the world. In order to ignore this rather evident fact--that historians are "behind" this--deniers dredge up Wiesel, Zisblatt, etc. Many of them seem allergic to discussing the arguments of historians--preferring to keep "discussion" at the level of slogans and gambits.

But this whole 'respect' thing -- is *that* why David Irving refers to the victims as <snip>?

And why our own deniers speak of liewitnesses and post respectful references to an ethnic group that has lost all self-respect "managing" history to ripoff Germany.

Clayton comes across as fixated on gassings - ignoring that the Nazis exterminated Europe's Jews as follows, using Hilberg's estimates:

- ghettoisation and general: 800,000
- transit and concentration camps; other: 300,000
- open air shootings: 1,400,000
- death camps: up to 2,600,000
total: 5,100,000

 

[Chaos]

Revisionism is the freeing of the German people of the lies used to vilify and subjugate them by parasites and haters.

No. Revisionism is about rehabilitating the parasites and haters so that they can subjugate the German people once more.

 

[Wroclaw]

Revisionism is the freeing of the German people of the lies used to vilify and subjugate them by parasites and haters.

What evidence can you offer to suggest that German people actually feel this way?

 

[Wroclaw]

There was a Holocaust. That's what the Jewish survivors grew to call it. History was managed to conform to a number of Jewish people lost, 6,000,000.

And who performed this "management"? Be specific. Name names.

I'm sure 99% or more of all revisionists respect the hardships suffered because of the Holocaust.

You're joking. Please say you're jokine.

Self appointed Holocaust historians demand that about 3 million Jewish children, women, and men were gassed to death in concentration camps over a three year period as WWII was ending.

Not as the war was ending. Indeed, when gassing started, it was generally still argued that Germany would win.

The IRC of that time said there was no genocide occurring in the concentration camps.

If you were the commandant of a camp in which genocidal gassing was taking place, would you show the ICRC the installations when they visited? That's a yes or no question, so please answer accordingly.

You figure it out. Was the IRC lying? Could almost 100,000 Jewish people a month be gassed and cremated in secret?

Quite.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Revisionism is the freeing of the German people of the lies used to vilify and subjugate them by parasites and haters.

Did someone say "hypocrite"?

There is exactly no, zero, nada, niente negative effect for todays Germans because of the holocaust. If this country, in which by the way I live, is oppressed by anyone, who is keeping the Germans away from freedom, they are doing a really crappy job.

The Germans have much bigger problems, that have nothing to do with the holocaust at all.

Could almost 100,000 Jewish people a month be gassed and cremated in secret?

1. Nobody cares, if you are capable of imagening such a scenario. It happend and you have no evidence against that fact, period.
2. It wasn't a secret, Anne Frank for example heard it from the british radio, according to her diary, long before she arrived in Birkenau. What would you deniers do without your idiotic strawmen arguments.