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When peoples no longer possess creative power they become international. Wherever there is weakness in regard to spiritual matters in the life of nations, internationalism makes its appearance. It is no coincidence that a people, namely the Jews, which does not have any real creative ability, is the carrier of this internationalism. It is the people with the least creative power and talent. It dominates only in the field of crooked and speculative economy. ... The Jew, as a race, has a remarkable instinct of self-preservation, but as an individual he has no cultural abilities at all. He is the demon of the disintegration of nations--the symbol of continual destruction of peoples.
Adolf Hitler, Munich, May 1, 1923

http://www2.dsu.nodak.edu/users/dmeier/Holocaust/hitler.html#N_2_

With statements like this about Jews - residents of Germany - what was expected of them? To roll over? No. Bravo for those that attempted to stem the Nazi tide.
 
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In the early '30s Germany was in a state of economic and political disarray.
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Quite.
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Many Germans felt that they were sold out by some of their own people in the Treaty of Versailles.
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Many German Nazis felt that way, certainly.
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Many powerful Jewish leaders and newspapers in the US and around the western world started to wage a war of hateful threatening rhetoric against the German Government and all of the German people.
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Just out of the blue? Which Jewish newspapers around the Western world did you have in whatever passes for your mind?
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In the lead up to the war the German regime considered the Jews living within their borders a liability and possible national security risk.
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The German Nazi regime, certainly
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This is much the same reasoning used by Roosevelt who took the unprecedented step of disenfranchising and interring Japanese Americans during WWII.
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Of course, there was an actual shooting war on with Japan at that time.

Do try to keep up...
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This harsh rhetoric was not simply a little boycott as you are trying to falsely convey, but a series of deadly threats by powerful Jewish leaders directly against the German people.
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No, the particular OpEd piece you cited was simply a boycott in response to Nazi mistreatment of Jewish businesses, which you would know had you bothered to actually *read* it, rather than mindlessly parroting what you've been told it said.
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Well, in your case, you have half a case.

Now, what "power" did Untemeyer have?

And let's see what he actually called for, shall we?
Our campaign is twofold — defensive and constructive. On the defensive side will be the economic boycott against all German goods, shipping and services. On the constructive side will be an appeal to the League of Nations to construe and enforce the labor union provisions of the Versailles Treaty and the written promises made by Germany, while the treaty was under negotiation, to protect its minorities, which have been flagrantly violated by its disfranchisement and persecution of the German Jews
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Why, lookit there: a boycott, just as I stated.

And against whom was this campaign to be held?
The Hitler regime originated are fiendishly prosecuting their boycott to exterminate the Jews by placarding Jewish shops, warning Germans against dealing with them, by imprisoning Jewish shopkeepers and parading them through the streets by the hundreds under guard of Nazi troops for the sole crime of being Jews, by ejecting them from the learned professions in which many of them had attained eminence, by excluding their children from the schools, their men from the labor unions, closing against them every avenue of livelihood, locking them in vile concentration camps, starving and torturing them, murdering and beating them without cause and resorting to every other conceivable form of torture, inhuman beyond conception, until suicide has become their only means of escape, and all solely because they are or their remote ancestors were Jews, and all with the avowed object of exterminating them.
Hmmmn. No mention at all of the German people as a whole. Nothing deadly discussed.

Quit while you are behind, asshat (special dispensation from A, who says "He really is, isn't he?").
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And look at some of this highly incendiary, threatening rhetoric that was aimed at the entire population of Germany BEFORE anyone was thrown into a concentration camp.
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Are you under the impression that the persecution of the Jews *began* with the camps?
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It is these loudmouthed aholes who intentionally stirred up the pot from the safety of their lofty positions far away from any danger that threw the Jews of Germany under the bus with their hateful threatening rhetoric.
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No, the Jews were already under the bus and the pot well and truly stirred, pushed there and puréed by your "stand up" Nazi heroes.
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These American soldiers that fight in the wars against Israel's enemies... would they include Tibor Rubin, Jack Jacobs and John Levitow?
 
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Might arguably include the 12,000 German Jews who fought and died for Germany in WWI out of 2,800,000 German military casualties -- while someone is obsessed with percentages, that's roughly four times as many as any other group and far far in excess of the total Jewish population at the time.
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That's very impressive Hans, good for you.

Excellent you then accept that your previous statement was wrong! You are slowly learning then. Oh and returning to an earlier comment - you have looked at the voting record of the SCOTUS haven't you, do 'da ebil jooos' vote as a block?
 
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Excellent you then accept that your previous statement was wrong! You are slowly learning then. Oh and returning to an earlier comment - you have looked at the voting record of the SCOTUS haven't you, do 'da ebil jooos' vote as a block?

The trick of it all is to vote personal views that are of no impact to Jewish interests. The moment they do SCREAM BLOODY murder.

Like you're screaming now.

You and your ilk pretend to believe people woke up one day and didn't like rich powerful Jewish people, for no reason.
 
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You're going to pretend your irrational hate is rational?

In what way, precisely, is protesting when something is not seen as in your interests a problem? Talk to the Tea Party about tax increases. Talk to the NRA about gun control. Talk to Fundamentalist Xtians about abortion rights. Talk to *you* about the Holocaust. Other than your pathetic impotence and blatant dishonesty, how is your response significantly different?

I mean, the only "reasons" you have offered here so far are things you then run from, such as your lie about THHP or your claim that Krege isn't a laughingstock whom even other, more sophisticated deniers have disowned -- but I'll play along: what rational reason is there to hate an entire group of people, most of whom you do not know nor will ever meet and who do not participate in the things about which you whine mindlessly?
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The trick of it all is to vote personal views that are of no impact to Jewish interests. The moment they do SCREAM BLOODY murder.

Like you're screaming now.

You and your ilk pretend to believe people woke up one day and didn't like rich powerful Jewish people, for no reason.

All Jewish people. You have your reasons for your rabid hatred of Jews,nothing to do with waking up one day. Any more facile points to make? I haven't screamed for years.
 
You and your ilk pretend to believe people woke up one day and didn't like rich powerful Jewish people, for no reason.


Just a few more steps and you'll be voicing the same kind of global Jewish conspiracy stuff that Hitler and his associates constantly talked about. Is that really the destination you want to go to?
 
All Jewish people. You have your reasons for your rabid hatred of Jews,nothing to do with waking up one day. Any more facile points to make? I haven't screamed for years.

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore
The trick of it all is to vote personal views that are of no impact to Jewish interests. The moment they do SCREAM BLOODY murder.

Like you're screaming now.

You and your ilk pretend to believe people woke up one day and didn't like rich powerful Jewish people, for no reason.


How does rich powerful Jewish people become all Jewish people?
 
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You're going to pretend your irrational hate is rational?

In what way, precisely, is protesting when something is not seen as in your interests a problem? Talk to the Tea Party about tax increases. Talk to the NRA about gun control. Talk to Fundamentalist Xtians about abortion rights. Talk to *you* about the Holocaust. Other than your pathetic impotence and blatant dishonesty, how is your response significantly different?

I mean, the only "reasons" you have offered here so far are things you then run from, such as your lie about THHP or your claim that Krege isn't a laughingstock whom even other, more sophisticated deniers have disowned -- but I'll play along: what rational reason is there to hate an entire group of people, most of whom you do not know nor will ever meet and who do not participate in the things about which you whine mindlessly?
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What I hate is a group Jews, very rich and powerful Jews, who wreak social and financial havoc for their personal gain, that hide underneath the skirt of all Jewish people. I'm not fond of the IRA, Russian or Italian or whatever mafia but I don't hate all Irish, Russians, or Italians.
 
One More Time

From my post:
“If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman.--Krasnaya Zvezda, Ilya Ehrenberg

“All of us knew very well that if the girls were German they could be raped and then shot. This was almost a combat distinction.”
--Gulag Archipelago, Vol. 1, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Where does it mention rape? Clue: It doesn't.

"All of us" understand the analogy... it's a reverse Golden Rule scenario: do unto others before they do unto you... but you don't even see the "mention" of rape. Interesting... Fact is that most of his propaganda pamphlets have gone missing, and yet we can still (most of us) SEE the type of psychology he used.


From my post:
"Nemmersdorf, where females from 8 to 80 were gang-raped to death and nailed--CRUCIFIED--to barn doors. (Who cares about Matthew 23, you ask? Obviously Ehrenburg's listeners did... why else did they crucify them?"
Oh, dear. Are you laboring under the misconception that the vast majority of Red Army troops committing rape weren't Christians?
And yet, Solzhenitsyn says these things:

"And not only socialists were now politicals. The politicals were splashed in tubfuls into the fifteen-million-criminal ocean, and they were invisible and inaudible to us. They were mute. They were muter than all the rest. Their image was the fish. The fish, symbol of the early Christians. And the Christians were their principal contingent... There was a multitude of Christians: prisoner transports and graveyards, prisoner transports and graveyards. Who will count those millions?"
--page 310, Gulag Archipelago, Vol. 2, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

"The truth was that not all our people, even though socialist, had yet risen to that steadfast cruel level necessary for a worthy camp guard! The VOKhR staff was uneven, and ceased to be the wall of horror it was intended to be. It softened up especially in the years of the Soviet-German war; the very best trained (in "good viciousness") of the young fellows had to be surrendered to the front, and the sickly reservists were dragged into VOKhR..."
--page 560, Gulag Archipelago, Vol. 2, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Which means that your "vast majority" contained those vicious VOKhR camp guards... rape and murder is what they did in GULag, too... it's THEIR M.O.!


From my post:
"In Ehrenburg's memoirs you will find no trace of such trivial incidents. Anyway, he might not have known that the man arguing with him had been arrested. He merely offered a fairly standard Party-line reply at that particular moment and then forgot about it. Ehrenburg writes that he himself "survived by lottery." Well, that little lottery had marked numbers. If they were rounding up your friends, you had to stop phoning them in time. If the wagon shaft turned, it was necessary to turn too. Ehrenburg heated up hatred for the Germans so insanely that Stalin had to pull him up short. If you feel toward the end of your life that you helped establish a lie, then what is required to justify yourself is not memoirs but an immediate bold self-sacrifice."
--Gulag Archipelago, Vol. 2, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Which proves that Ehrenburg did divulge that he was wrong, after the fact.
Is THAT what you think Solzhenitsyn is saying? oh...kay...

Nevertheless... my original point in posting the quote was this amazing statement:

"Ehrenburg heated up hatred for the Germans so insanely that Stalin had to pull him up short."

If even the Monster Stalin seemed to think that Ehrenburg was over the line... just how bad was Ehrenburg actually being?


From my post:
A fascinating book, actually. He tells us that those who were used to being THE denunciators... well... what goes around actually DID come back around... with a vengeance! A preview.
I don't suppose you actually read it.
Your supposition is wrong, thank God.

You quoted from another Solzhenitsyn book, from a volume that hasn't been translated into English. You know how I know it hasn't been translated? His sons do his translations into English, because they were raised here.
Do you think that only Solzhenitsyn's sons know English and Russian? Since the book IS available in Russian, the English WILL learn it. The demand is there... despite the nay-saying of the press and its satellite drones.
 
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