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uke2se said:
Nope. Victims imply you can't effectively fight back. Both the Soviets and the Chinese fought back very effectively, the Soviets managing to soundly defeat your aryan heroes, while the Chinese fought the Japanese to a stand still.
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The victims of WWII as in most wars were the active participants who were killed and maimed as a result of it, along with those innocent civillians who perished or suffered at the hands of these huge military machines in the USSR, Germany, USA, UK, Japan and Italy. No certain ethnic or religious group has an exclusive claim on victimhood.

The victors as usual, were the bankers who financed the carnage at usury rates, then cleaned up in the aftermath and the war profiteers who had a field day. Some things never change.
 
Gene Alley said:
The victims of WWII as in most wars were the active participants who were killed and maimed as a result of it, along with those innocent civillians who perished or suffered at the hands of these huge military machines in the USSR, Germany, USA, UK, Japan and Italy.
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Wow, you're just chock full of wrong statements, aren't you?

By far, more civilians died during WWII than "active participants." By about a 2:1 ratio. Notably, if you look at the casualty figures, they are significantly higher for those countries that were subjected to invasion. The Soviets had, far and away, the greatest civilian losses.

No certain ethnic or religious group has an exclusive claim on victimhood.
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And who said anyone did?

The victors as usual, were the bankers who financed the carnage at usury rates, then cleaned up in the aftermath and the war profiteers who had a field day. Some things never change.
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Wanna name names on that one?
 
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Okay, the percentage of *provably* Jewish members of any of the agreed groups being 5% or less will represent your having lost the bet, yes?

To give a fair sampling, I would include the CEOs of The New York Times, the Tribune Group, the Wall Street Journal, Belo, Cablevision and Clear Channel to round out the MM entry.

Also, as an additional group the Executive branch of the US Government (the President, the Vice President, and the heads of the Executive Office of the President, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Defense, the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Department of the Interior, the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, the Department of State, the Department of Transportation, the Department of the Treasury and the Department of Veterans Affairs) and the Governors of all 50 States, giving us 71 additional entities who actually *run* the country.

We will also have to reach an agreement on what precisely constitutes a person being Jewish: I would propose that this means simply self-identification as a Jew (membership in a synagogue, attendance of a Jewish school or direct quotes cited by a reliable source indicating such identification if they are not observant).

I still need the contact information for the entity holding your share of the bet in escrow and the terms of disbursement.
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1)Breyer, Ginsburg and Kagen make up 33% of the SCOTUS.

2)Benjamin Shalom Bernanke, Sarah Bloom-Raskin, and Janet Yellin make up 60% of the Federal Reserve Board.

3)News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish).

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

You lose.

Instead of going through all of this escrow crap, you can make a donation to the CODOH.

Thanks
 
Corsair 115 said:
Since this quote is yours, once again I apply my earlier comment: You are one step away from asserting a global Jewish conspiracy. The exact same kind of thing Hitler and other top Nazis constantly talked about.

(Then there's the silly nonsense of your "statistics". About 95% of child care workers are female. Women are thus vastly overrepresented in that profession. Some 92% of nurses are women. As are some 80% of elementary and middle school teachers, 75% of cashiers, 62% of accountants and auditors, and 57% of all realtors. Women are thus overrepresented in these professions as well. Clearly, something must be amiss since women are so prominent in these industries! Surely this overrepresentation must be as concerning to you as the alleged overrepresentation of Jews in the industries you mentioned!)
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I would like to see an answer to this by Gene, as well.
 
Gene Alley said:
3)News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish).
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You need to find an up-to-date list.
Chernin left two years ago...the current president of New Corp (and why are you choosing essentially random positions in these companies?) is Chase Carey.

Also Sloan left (well, was kicked out) 2 years ago (as CEO), and replaced by Stephen Cooper, who was then replaced (when they bought MGM) by two chaps, Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum (had to look them up).

Who knows about the rest...I got bored at that point.
 
Tolls said:
You need to find an up-to-date list.
Chernin left two years ago...the current president of New Corp (and why are you choosing essentially random positions in these companies?) is Chase Carey.

Also Sloan left (well, was kicked out) 2 years ago (as CEO), and replaced by Stephen Cooper, who was then replaced (when they bought MGM) by two chaps, Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum (had to look them up).

Who knows about the rest...I got bored at that point.
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I was just trying to demonstrate that there is more Jewish representation among the media executives than 2-3% of the US population that they currently make up. I really don't have the time to sit around chasing down the exact numbers, however I am confident that I have made an accurate point given the big spread between 5% which would be normal, and 35%-85%which seems to be accurate.
 
Originally Posted by Corsair 115
Since this quote is yours, once again I apply my earlier comment: You are one step away from asserting a global Jewish conspiracy. The exact same kind of thing Hitler and other top Nazis constantly talked about.

(Then there's the silly nonsense of your "statistics". About 95% of child care workers are female. Women are thus vastly overrepresented in that profession. Some 92% of nurses are women. As are some 80% of elementary and middle school teachers, 75% of cashiers, 62% of accountants and auditors, and 57% of all realtors. Women are thus overrepresented in these professions as well. Clearly, something must be amiss since women are so prominent in these industries! Surely this overrepresentation must be as concerning to you as the alleged overrepresentation of Jews in the industries you mentioned!)
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Belz... said:
I would like to see an answer to this by Gene, as well.
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I'm not concerned about these figures regarding women at all. The point is that it is dangerous for a small number of intertwined aristocrats to control large segments of media, finacial and political power in a free society, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or athiest.

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Gene Alley said:
1)Breyer, Ginsburg and Kagen make up 33% of the SCOTUS.

2)Benjamin Shalom Bernanke, Sarah Bloom-Raskin, and Janet Yellin make up 60% of the Federal Reserve Board.

3)News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish).

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

You lose.

Instead of going through all of this escrow crap, you can make a donation to the CODOH.
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Okay, the percentage of *provably* Jewish members of any of the agreed groups being 5% or less will represent your having lost the bet, yes? You seem to have neglected the proof, and your cited article contains several mistakes:

1)Breyer is not a member of the SCOTUS.

2)Paramount Pictures was not agreed upon.

3)Warner Bros. != Time Warner.

As to the rest, to which synagogue do they belong? Or what Jewish school did they attend? Or have you reliable quotes offering a self-identification as Jewish?

To repeat, to give a fair sampling, I would include the CEOs of The New York Times, the Tribune Group, the Wall Street Journal, Belo, Cablevision and Clear Channel to round out the MM entry.

Also, as an additional group the Executive branch of the US Government (the President, the Vice President, and the heads of the Executive Office of the President, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Defense, the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Department of the Interior, the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, the Department of State, the Department of Transportation, the Department of the Treasury and the Department of Veterans Affairs) and the Governors of all 50 States, giving us 71 additional entities who actually *run* the country.

I have only lost some time pointing out your idiocy, so we will rely on your bet as offered: no, I will not donate to C(h)ODOH. The "h" is for "hardly".

The ball is in your court.
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Gene Alley said:
I was just trying to demonstrate that there is more Jewish representation among the media executives than 2-3% of the US population that they currently make up.
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And you have failed to do so, miserably.
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Gene Alley said:
I really don't have the time to sit around chasing down the exact numbers, however I am confident that I have made an accurate point given the big spread between 5% which would be normal, and 35%-85%which seems to be accurate.
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... and the predicted running from the bet you yourself proposed is noted.

I'm still willing to complete the wager that you would do so, using your lawyer as trustee.

Of course, since you have already run, I've already won, and so you will refuse that wager.
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Gene Alley said:
1)Breyer, Ginsburg and Kagen make up 33% of the SCOTUS.

2)Benjamin Shalom Bernanke, Sarah Bloom-Raskin, and Janet Yellin make up 60% of the Federal Reserve Board.

3)News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish).
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So? What does their religion have to do with anything? Your "statistic" is meaningless—unless you wish to attach some sort of conspiracy to it, i.e. these Jews are secretly co-operating to use their positions to manipulate matters to their benefit. Which, once again, takes us back to the global Jewish conspiracy that Hitler and his associates constantly talked about.
 
Gene Alley said:
I was just trying to demonstrate that there is more Jewish representation among the media executives than 2-3% of the US population that they currently make up.
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Again, so what? This alleged overrepresentation means nothing in and of itself unless you are implying some sort of conspiracy angle.


Clayton Moore said:
Why? Do average people sow the seeds of war?
Do average people get the spoils of war?

I'm sure a "bunch of rich people" should suffice.
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Are you suggesting that Hitler, as leader of the German government, was not responsible for initiating World War II by giving the order to invade Poland?
 
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Not to mention all of those characters and shows on prime time who are unabashed Jewish?

Let's see, there's the Oi the Vey Network, with its popular show "The Seven Million (but for you, Six! Such a deal!) Club" and that fun-for-the entire family game show The Amazing Knish. That cop drama NCJS and its spinoff NCJS Tel Aviv? Two and a Half Mensches? The Nightly News with Brian Williamstein? How I Met Your Messhugah, followed by The Big Bar Mitzvah Theory? The Cable Nonna Network, with that cool tagline by James Earl Jacobson "*THIS* is CNN -- so call your Nonna, already..."? Sex and the Shiksa? American WailWol? So You Think You Can Horah?
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Corsair 115 said:
So? What does their religion have to do with anything? Your "statistic" is meaningless—unless you wish to attach some sort of conspiracy to it, i.e. these Jews are secretly co-operating to use their positions to manipulate matters to their benefit. Which, once again, takes us back to the global Jewish conspiracy that Hitler and his associates constantly talked about.
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Any monopoly of the media is bad.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Any monopoly of the media is bad.
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By your parameters Anglo-Saxon Christians have multiple 'monopolies' in multiple industries...so that MUST be bad

CM do also you realize that 'da joos' are not a monolistic group who all act as one? Or do you actually believe that they all think alike - kinda like a earth bound Borg??
 
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