Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Clayton Moore]

Clayton, would it be so hard for you to admit that you were wrong about the British FMD outbreak in 2001?

Or do you wish to permanently discredit yourself in the eyes of every Brit who was older than about 5 at the time?

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post

Aquamation has been used since 1992 to dispose of animals with diseases such as Mad Cow.

Thanks, again, for making me your obvious superior when it comes to thought processing.

The statement does not say that aquamation was used to the exclusion of any other method. Nor do I compare the totals of the various methods of disposal of diseased animals.

 

[Clayton Moore]

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Where? Got any of that, you know, evidence thingy that Nick's claims about the recent FMD outbreak and pyres are in error?
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Did I say he was in error?

 

[TheRedWorm]

Clayton, given your admitted intellectual laziness and ignorance, why do you continue to post in this thread? You are wrong about mostly everything, and you do not wish to learn, so why bother?

 

[Wroclaw]

Yes I didn't mention this as this varies amongst devotees and what their caste is. I've seen anything from a sprinkle to maybe a pint and for Bahramins up to two-three pints.

If its important as to how much ghee is used I can ask my Hindu associates.

No, I don't think it's that important, except that an accelerant is being used.

 

[Dogzilla]

as for naming names, I think Mr Caution is too enamoured of the Great Man view of history. The emplotment most revisionists view the hoax consists of not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.

Dunno where I dragged that up from, I think it just came to me.

Yeah, I don't think any of us see an organized "conspiracy" that planned a holocaust disinformation campaign in advance. It's not something that was organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for this process.

It just kinda happened.

 

[Wroclaw]

Yeah, I don't think any of us see an organized "conspiracy" that planned a holocaust disinformation campaign in advance. It's not something that was organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for this process.

It just kinda happened.

Really? Then ask Saggy why he continues to allege that the six million was "planned" and already reported in 1906?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Yeah, I don't think any of us see an organized "conspiracy" that planned a holocaust disinformation campaign in advance. It's not something that was organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for this process.

It just kinda happened.

It's a bunch of agenda driven opportunists, year after year, seeing how much they can get away with.

 

[Dogzilla]

I think he took the oath on the Talmud or Torah in the Trial of Deborah Lipstadt. Rather appropriate really as I believe the Talmud says it is OK to deceive the Goyim.

So what was van Pelt's mother's maiden name - and did she go through any transit camps?

I believe he took the oath on an old family bible that probably survived the holocaust. Because van Pelt is Jewish, it was no doubt the Hebrew Bible or what christians would call the Old Testament. It wasn't the Talmud because the Talmud runs into thousands of pages. Can the complete Talmud even be published in a single book that could be brought into a courtroom for an oath? I don't think it's equal to the bible in any case. But you'd have to ask a real Jew to know for sure. The Torah is just the first five books of the bible, genesis through deuteronomy.

I don't think the Talmud actually says it's OK to deceive the goyim but there are probably passages that could be interpreted that way.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Really? Then ask Saggy why he continues to allege that the six million was "planned" and already reported in 1906?

6 million was used 3 or 4 times till it took.

 

[Gene Alley]

The only "self-proclaimed" historians are you deniers, clayton. Real historians tend to disagree with you.

Most "real historians" are those who go along to get along.

 

[uke2se]

Most "real historians" are those who go along to get along.

Wrong. Most real historians have relevant degrees, use primary sources and publish their findings in respected magazines.

In fact, that should be "all" real historians.

Deniers don't do any of the above.

Now, how are you doing with that list of valid points made by deniers in this thread?

 

[uke2se]

Yeah, I don't think any of us see an organized "conspiracy" that planned a holocaust disinformation campaign in advance. It's not something that was organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for this process.

It just kinda happened.

When you say "any of us" you exclude Saggy? Because that's basically exactly what he's been saying all along.

 

[uke2se]

It's a bunch of agenda driven opportunists, year after year, seeing how much they can get away with.

Excellent description of holocaust deniers.

 

[Cyrix686]

"kinda happened" is the worst answer I have ever seen.

 

[Clayton Moore]

"kinda happened" is the worst answer I have ever seen.

Why?

 

[Dogzilla]

But you haven't shown that it's impossible, hence it's only an argument from personal incredulity.

I was taught in biology that humans do not burn easily. I know how long it takes and at what temperature for a modern crematory to reduce a body completely to "ash" (which isn't ash anyway. It's the ground up bones that didn't burn). You can find that information by looking at the webpage of any cremation facility or funeral home. You can also research how the Hindu handle their their dead to get an idea of how easily people burn. I have seen far too many house fires in my life to know that the number of people known to have been inside a house that burns completely to the ground often matches the number of charred corpses found in the ashes. There may be nothing left of the family photographs. Their book collection might be gone. The scrapbooks, toys, and clothes may be gone. But something remains of the bodies. I have been unable to find any reference source that says humans burn easily. I have been unable to find any reference source that says they'll burn at all without a wicking material.

I don't know if it is impossible and I don't know if it is possible to know if it is impossible. I do know that people with more knowledge of human combustion than I have don't make it sound like it can be easily accomplished and no survivor or perpetrator of the AR camps has ever described a process that would actually work.

I am certain that I have studied this question in greater depth than you have. I've looked at fire science resources, funeral parlor resources, biological and agricultural waste disposal resources, Hindu religious resources, etc. and haven't been able to find anything that makes me believe the Germans figured out a way to completely incinerate hundreds of thousands of corpses using an outdoor firepit and felled wood. If you know of any reference material that describes the quick and easy process for completely burning human bodies, please share.

Or you could just complain about deniers wanting to be spoon-fed their information and refuse to point me in the direction of something that would prove me wrong.

 

[uke2se]

I don't know if it is impossible and I don't know if it is possible to know if it is impossible.

Then why did you say it was?

I do know that people with more knowledge of human combustion than I have don't make it sound like it can be easily accomplished and no survivor or perpetrator of the AR camps has ever described a process that would actually work.

Explain why the described process wouldn't work. Using math and chemistry.

I am certain that I have studied this question in greater depth than you have. I've looked at fire science resources, funeral parlor resources, biological and agricultural waste disposal resources, Hindu religious resources, etc. and haven't been able to find anything that makes me believe the Germans figured out a way to completely incinerate hundreds of thousands of corpses using an outdoor firepit and felled wood.

Why didn't you look at what historians say the Nazis did?

If you know of any reference material that describes the quick and easy process for completely burning human bodies, please share.

http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Des...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1311286664&sr=1-1

Or you could just complain about deniers wanting to be spoon-fed their information and refuse to point me in the direction of something that would prove me wrong.

I don't have to prove you wrong. The onus is on you to prove history wrong. You haven't succeeded in doing that thus far, and you never will. You are denying part of our history for your own ideological reasons.

 

[tsig]

But you haven't shown that it's impossible, hence it's only an argument from personal incredulity.

C'mon uke2se, if brilliant minds like the Holohucksters can't figure it out it didn't happen.

Germany transporting three million people in a few years? Impossible, the Jews just ran off somewhere.

Good German men being able to stand killing day after day? Don't make me laugh the Jews probably suicided in order to cause malaise among the troops.

 

[Dogzilla]

Just a note: the Hindu's have been burning millions of bodies for thousands of years, with anywhere from 20 to 300 kilos of wood (depends on how rich you are) - reducing the body to ash before committing those ashes to the Ganges. I've seen them doing this on a number of occassions and they don't use gasoline.

Bodies aren't reduced to ash. Everything except the bones burn off and the bones are ground up to create what we call "ash." When you've watched this on a number of occasions, how long did the whole process require? How long did it take before the body was burning hot enough to continue burning without any more fuel? You wouldn't be able to show me a picture of a body that has been completely incinerated because there would be nothing left. So I won't demand the impossible. But I can find enough photographs of bodies floating in the Ganges river to know that not everybody is completely reduced to "ash" before they're dumped into the river.

 

[Cyrix686]

Um well its a cop-out and if after 104 pages the best you scholars can come up with for an explanation for the Hoax is it "just kinda happened," well... You know, I've seen the whole three ring circus of denier explanation, this took place, that person was there, none of which I'm going to mention because I don't want to revisit those beaten carpets. Saggy threw out Mickey earlier. I've read that before too. Some of these explanations on the hoax have actually gone so far as to contain Historical names and Historical organisations and have been on the whole very elaborate but alas evidence-less and absent when it came to corroboration. Its true, wonderfully paranoid Byzantine works of Art have been painted to explain the Hoax. Some tinged with Jew-hating. Lets cut a long story short... I suppose "kinda happened" has a minimalist economy Dogzilla, I'll grant you that. But nothing else.

Thanks for dropping my jaw. Amazing stuff.