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kageki said:
The Nazis wanted them out and not because they wanted them dead.

He's also talking about being duped into the "death camps" like Auschwitz or Sobibor which no one believed at the time.
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So Clayton calls being rounded up at gunpoint and herded into cattle trucks 'being duped' You need about two brain cells to be a denier.
 
dafydd said:
So Clayton calls being rounded up at gunpoint and herded into cattle trucks 'being duped' You need about two brain cells to be a denier.
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Force, in a conquered and occupied region, was of course a major factor in the fate of the Jews--and others victimized by the Nazis. So too was a policy of deception and divide-to-conquer, in which some victims were separated out and given a stake in indirectly supporting occupation policies. The tactics used by the Nazis, which created differing short term interests and thus strategies amongst victims groups, by subdividing these groups, and which, sometimes unintentionally and sometimes on purpose, fostered false hope, have to be considered when viewing Jewish responses. Also, deceptive tactics like false amnesties for Jews, or the Hotel Polski scheme in Warsaw, played their part in shaping Jewish responses.

A very tiny minority of Jews, like Abraham Gancwajch and the Thirteen in Warsaw, were complicit; more important was a larger minority who had relative "privileges" (e.g., the Jewish police) and went along in various ways and in shades of grey. Contrary to popular belief, however, the majority response, when Jews understood the Nazis' next moves, was, as some posters have indicated not Hilberg's notion of passivity, Arendt's argument about the treachery of the councils, or, in a popular myth, heroic armed resistance but rather keeping one's head down, so to speak, trying to survive and breaking the law to do so, often looking for opportunities for evasion and flight. Jews fled, hid, disguised their identities, fought back, argued and tried to persuade, and other such individual responses as the Germans closed down on them. I doubt that you'd find significantly different responses from, say, Zigeuner, Russian POWs, Poles in concentration camps, and so on.

Has anyone ever written a comparison of how different groups victimized by the Nazis responded to Nazi crimes?
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Force, in a conquered and occupied region, was of course a major factor in the fate of the Jews--and others victimized by the Nazis. So too was a policy of deception and divide-to-conquer, in which some victims were separated out and given a stake in indirectly supporting occupation policies. The tactics used by the Nazis, which created differing short term interests and thus strategies amongst victims groups, by subdividing these groups, and which, sometimes unintentionally and sometimes on purpose, fostered false hope, have to be considered when viewing Jewish responses. Also, deceptive tactics like false amnesties for Jews, or the Hotel Polski scheme in Warsaw, played their part in shaping Jewish responses.

A very tiny minority of Jews, like Abraham Gancwajch and the Thirteen in Warsaw, were complicit; more important was a larger minority who had relative "privileges" (e.g., the Jewish police) and went along in various ways and in shades of grey. Contrary to popular belief, however, the majority response, when Jews understood the Nazis' next moves, was, as some posters have indicated not Hilberg's notion of passivity, Arendt's argument about the treachery of the councils, or, in a popular myth, heroic armed resistance but rather keeping one's head down, so to speak, trying to survive and breaking the law to do so, often looking for opportunities for evasion and flight. Jews fled, hid, disguised their identities, fought back, argued and tried to persuade, and other such individual responses as the Germans closed down on them. I doubt that you'd find significantly different responses from, say, Zigeuner, Russian POWs, Poles in concentration camps, and so on.

Has anyone ever written a comparison of how different groups victimized by the Nazis responded to Nazi crimes?
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This is not quite a response to the question, But Arendt believed that
the Nazis were, generally speaking, a collection of shallow opportunists
who had no real belief in their supposed ideals. She argued that in
Denmark, where the Nazis ran into massive, principled defiance, that
the local Nazi leadership sabotaged Jewish policy. Denmark was the
one example where, more or less, an entire population intervened on
behalf of the persecuted with the result that the oppression itself
faded.

The responses of persecuted groups probably cannot be compared
without considering the unique facets of Nazi policies. Clearly, the
unequivical malice of the Nazis toward Jews or communists elicited
different responses than those of Catholics or Jehovah's
Witnesses. Critics of Arendt pointed out that the Nazis were "soft" on
Danes, sending older and less fanatic SS overseers since Danes were
regarded as pure Aryans. Had Poles resisted in the fashion of the
Danes, the Nazis would have responded with even more frenzied
destruction, killing even larger proportions of the population. Would
the Danes have resisted if faced with more severe consequences?

There are probably few if any instances where the Nazis subjected
persecuted groups to exactly identical conditions. Certainly, members
of all persecuted groups had opportunities to gain by collaboration.
 
Hilberg has that whole bit about five types of Jewish reaction to persecution, but I don't know about other groups, and I don't now upon whom Hilberg was drawing for that part in Destruction.
 
Wroclaw said:
Hilberg has that whole bit about five types of Jewish reaction to persecution, but I don't know about other groups, and I don't now upon whom Hilberg was drawing for that part in Destruction.
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Hilberg wrote that the "reaction pattern of the Jews is characterized by an almost complete lack of resistance," by which I assume he meant organized fighting back. If resistance is viewed more broadly, I think he is mistaken. He himself named the categories of response: resistance, alleviation or nullification, evasion, paralysis, and compliance (p1104, I believe that Hilberg derived these "interaction patterns" from the documents he worked with).

I think poosh is also right to think about geographic and temporal differences in response patterns, depending on Nazi actions and policies. The Vilna underground concluded early on that Ponar meant death and thus organized armed resistance; it was months later that activists in Warsaw, with the intensification of Aktion Reinhard drew the same conclusion and adopted their resistance policy. In the Soviet Union, there was scattered but ineffectually mounted resistance. Still, in the Polish ghettos the policy of compliance (salvation through work) had a reasonable basis, at least judging from actual experience, without insight into planning and Nazi thinking; Hilberg dismisses this saying that "'productivization' did not save the ghettos. . . . In the final reckoning, all of Jewish labor was still Jewish"). If flight and evasion, Hilberg writes that "In the main, the Jews looked upon flight with a sense of futility," yet, as Gunnar Paulsson showed for Warsaw perhaps as many of the city's Jews lived secretly in the Aryan part of the city following the Great Deportation--an not insignificant number.
 
Mondial said:
At Holocaust Denial Videos www.holocaustdenialvideos.com (this website has the David Cole doco on Auschwitz) the Manifesto states "I advocate kindness and good vibes toward all Jewish people." Proof that the claim that all holocaust deniers are Jew haters is a lie.
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Just keep deniers talking and eventually their bigotry, anti-semitism, and hard-right nostalgia will assert themselves. This is a general statement that is almost 100%, but not quite, correct.
 
Hey, Kageki. Did you notice your post on the Hydrokop report at CODOH is now gone, as are mine?
 
LemmyCaution said:
Just keep deniers talking and eventually their bigotry, anti-semitism, and hard-right nostalgia will assert themselves. This is a general statement that is almost 100%, but not quite, correct.
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You're the person spreading hate by accusing people who disagree with you of bigotry, antisemitism.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You're the person spreading hate by accusing people who disagree with you of bigotry, antisemitism.
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I find it incredibly dangerous to accuse people of anti-Semitism when the charge is not warranted, and I believe this danger occurs because then Jews run the risk of being "the boy who cried wolf," i.e., if and when real anti-Semitism comes down the pike, non-Jews will be less likely to believe Jews making that charge because they will have made it too often in the past when it had not been warranted. One thing that history has made abundantly clear is that we as Jews are at the mercy of non-Jews for our survival everywhere except Israel, and arguably there as well (e.g., U.S. military aid).

But I digress: I think, Clayton, it's important for you to recognize two facts: (1) There are exceedingly few people who deny the Holocaust who don't hate Jews. I've been involved in this "debate" for over fifteen years, and I can count on one hand the number of people I've encountered on your side who don't harbor a real and genuine hatred of Jews. This is the rule and NOT the exception. To his minor credit, Bradley Smith has been rather open on this issue. See:

http://www.codoh.com/newsite/articles/bradleysmith/anews04.html

(2) The second issue for you to bear in mind is that, when you state that you don't believe that white Europeans are capable of committing genocide, then you're painting yourself into a bit of a racist corner, and therefore even if you were not a Jew-hater, it's far more likely that people will assume you are.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You're the person spreading hate by accusing people who disagree with you of bigotry, antisemitism.
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I am not accusing anyone of anything; I am acknowledging what goes on. I learned about the deep strain of antisemitism, and also the pro-Nazi bias, in denial simply by joining a discussion forum, reading the posts there, and engaging in discussion. I don't say it lightly that denial is tainted with bigotry, hard right ideological, and Nazi nostalgia. Coming at this from a rather cynical point of view, I was surprised at the blatant antisemitism I encountered at Rodoh, expecting deniers to be cleverer. They are not. Plain and simple. Here are some random comments expressing the viewpoints of denier, which I've copied from deniers' posts on a Holocaust discussion board. Some of this stuff is so vile that revisionists try various strategies to back away from it, even calling some of the posters provocateurs--sent by, you guessed it, the Jews. A search of many posts would only extend and deepen the record of bigotry, apologetics and outright defense of the Nazis in their period, and Nazi wannabe longings. These are facts which can be discussed; that denial is not filled with this kind of thinking is a fantasy or your own wishful thinking:

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This type of degenerate behaviour is the direct result of increasing Jewish influence over Western society. Most of those young people who took part in the rioting are probably no longer spiritually white after being force-fed filth like MTV from the cradle.

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MTV is and always has been controlled by the Jews. A quick history lesson on the Music Channel:

MTV’s prehistory began in 1977 on Warner Cable (a division of Warner Communications) which offered many specialized channels where Pittman had the opportunity to trial run a short 15 minute show called Album Tracks. Who were the founding Warner brothers? Here are their non-Anglicised forenames: Hirsz, Abraham, Szmul and Itzhak.

MTV as we know it today was launched in August 1981 by the Warner-Amex Satellite Entertainment Company (WASEC). The Warner side of the operation was run by David Horowitz (Jew) and Amex by Lou Gerstner (Jew). In1985 Viacom run by the notorious Sumner Redstone (Jew) bought MTV.

MTV’s primary role as a propaganda tool remains that of encouraging white women to engage in race mixing with non-whites.

How much longer can this shameless creature continue to defend Jewish evil in the world whilst pretending to be a 100% assimilated atheist?

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Of late I have noticed their projection of 'Jewishness' more, tbh. I watch a lot of kids films and cartoons with my daughter and many of them now contain blatant references to Jewishness and contain deliberately Jewish characters. A recent example would be 'Bee Movie' which I doubt anyone else on here has seen unless they also have young kids, but it centres around a colony of Bees who basically speak behave and act like wholesome, middle-class, slightly wacky and funny, New York Jews, even making open refernces to being Jewish etc I found this odd in a kids film, especialyy one about Bees. Why do that unless you are trying to project an image of some kind to your young and impressionable audience?

I really can't believe that this sort of thing is just coincidental, I am afraid.

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Obviously, my initial post has upset the kikes which tells me that my tireless research has found gold, once again.

The 200 calorie per day story is obvious ********!* If those fiendish Nazis had really been trying to starve the yids to death, why would they even bother providing 200 calories per day?* 200 calories per day multiplied by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jews--still amounts to mountains of food that could have gone instead to far more worthy mouths--who were also hungry.* Can the yids admit that the British blockade might have contributed to the hunger in the ghettoes?* Of course, not!

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Poojoo's dirty Jewish fantasy is exposed once again.* The real sadists and genocidal mass murders were, and still are, the flaming anti-Nazis like Poojoo.* They should look at themselves in the mirror and then hang themselves.

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it is plain to see that the Germans always did whatever they could for the Jews in their care, but were thwarted in their efforts at every turn by the Jews themselves. The avoidance of disinfection and the constant entry and exit of infected areas during the smuggling of contraband were responsible for bringing typhus and other diseases into the Ghettos. Later in the camps Jewish inhumanity towards the sick and weak was directly responsible for the majority of deaths we now see blamed on the Germans.

If any fault can be placed at the Germans door in this matter I think it could only be that they were not harsh enough in their enforcement of discipline on the Jews in their care. Sadly due to the war they lacked the manpower to keep a closer watch on these cunning people 24/7.

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When Charles Traynor faults the Germans for not being "harsh enough in their enforcement of discipline on the Jews in their care," he is grossly unfair. The Nazis and SS really were the "Good Guys."* The real monsters were, and still are, the Jews themselves!

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[for a view of denier humor:] http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/264316/PEER-PRESSURE

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The jews have known Mr. Gerdes' current address for a year now, and they knew his address in Lewistown for a few of years before that.

They also know that Mr. Gerdes has wet dreams about dealing with any dirty jew who would dare to **** with him.

I can't recall exactly where I read it, but on some other forum Mr. Gerdes challenged the jews to try something.

I don't think he's ever tried to hide his address and it looks to me that he could give a **** about any dirty jew knowing his address, because jews are cowards who don't have the balls to **** with Mr. Gerdes. And any dirty jew who woulld be foolish enough to try messing with Mr. Gerdes knows what's in store for it.

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Why are Jews such lying scumbags? maybe one of the jewish posters here can explain why their tribe is so given to making up this kind of crap? Is it just for money, revenge, or is there some kind of pleasure in deceit in and for itself that the jews experience when they lie?

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Hey Jew[here was posted a four letter word meaning intercourse], get a grip or prepare for war.

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Where does Charles Traynor stand on the Arizona Massacre? . . . . Charles Traynor does not consider the killing of domestic enemies of his people in a time of war to be murder. . . . Charles Traynor salutes the successful assassination of Judge M. Roll and considers it a damn shame Loughner didn’t finish the job on Gifford. . . .

As for the dead and injured:

Who cares!

A Jewish Congresswoman who would not vote to protect Arizona from illegal immigrants, a judge with political aspirations who had allowed a patriotic rancher to be sued by a Mexican organisation for daring to impede illegal’s crossing and destroying land on his ranch, and a child whose mind had already been completely poisoned by her liberal parents. Those people are no loss to any wholesome, principled society.

The other deaths don’t really seem important enough for the press to have given us much information.* I’ll just say that anyone retarded enough to waste their time hanging around a shopping mall just so they can have a chance to talk with a corrupt politician probably deserves to get blown away.

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This Easter I was staying in Germany with friends. We had previously decided to mark the Führers birthday by visiting the Horst Wessel Denkmal (Süntel).

April 20th 2011started beautifully and by 0900hrs it was t-shirt weather with the expectation of a real scorcher of a day to come. With even more Kameraden than originally expected we headed out to our destination in convoy. This particular memorial place is greatly feared by the treacherous Berlin government and knowledge of the site and its location are almost unknown amongst the present generation of Germans. Thank goodness then, that dedicated and courageous free thinkers pass this forbidden knowledge from Kamerad to Kamerad and generation to generation.
We drove out of town at a leisurely pace enjoying the beautiful sights, sounds and smells that come with spring mornings in the countryside. Eventually we reached our destination and parked our cars in a small piece of flat ground at the base of a steep wooded ridge where the log trucks pick up their loads. To get to the denkmal we still had a short walk of about 20-30 minutes ahead of us. The tree lined path we followed was extremely steep in some places and deteriorated the further we went. I had to laugh as some of my younger companions started puffing for breath only half the way up (I doubt Nick could ever make it unassisted to the denkmal in his present super-sized condition).

We were fortunate to have a guide who knew where he was going. To be honest even finding the park platz would have been a nightmare without prior knowledge. On reaching the denkmal we all became silent, being in such an extraordinary place, on such a special day awed us all. Tears swelled in the eyes of many of my companions, and although I am not normally an emotional person I could not blame them. I swore an oath privately that I would never give up the fight to save my race from the Jew. The weather was so good we stayed longer than we should have taking photos and then talking about WWII, the Cold War (which some of us were old enough to be part of) and the future of our people.

This was once a special place where families came with their children for picnics, and men proposed to their beloved. Even if the memorial was still standing today (destroyed with explosives by Americans 1945) it would be obscured by trees. The traitors in Berlin have ordered that this place is forgotten and it appears local functionaries are only too willing to comply. I look forward to The Day of the Rope for all traitors of our people in Germany.
We finished our meeting with a delicious afternoon meal in town. This was a dignified occasion and no alcohol was served.

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Thank you for that, Mr. Charles Traynor, I wish I could have been there, alas...

As for the oath, ditto for me, I will only give up the fight for truth when the guy with the scythe taps me on the shoulder, and then only reluctantly.

Armes Deutschland.

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Don’t worry about Germany, the days when those who share Roberto’s sick ideology are rapidly coming to an end. Years of extreme brainwashing never worked on my German friends, and young Germans today are not so gullible (thanks to the Internet) to automatically respect the words of deceitful teachers who stand in front of their classes denying the glory of the Third Reich.
Heil Hitler!

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The German people had far more freedom under the NS system (in the middle of a major war) than they do now in a peacetime democracy.

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Every sane person on planet Earth does not join the Jews in their canonical antipathy of everything outside themselves. In fact, as Jews are the gatekeepers of the mental health industry, "sanity" is neither here nor there for the committed culture warrior.

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Because the first duty of the State is to provide Order. The second is to protect its citizens and nationals and to promote their interests--not those of finaincial markets but of the Nation, as though it were an organic biological unit based at the fundamental level on its nuclear families, i.e., on blood rather than class or caste. . . . After German unification and nationhood in 1871, Nobility itself began to take on a different connotation than class or caste and meant exercising German citizenship. The Citizen was himself a part of the biological community, and the "Body" was healthy as long as it did not try to absorb too many alien elements, let alone pathogens. Remember that at one time Irishmen were once barely considered human by Anglo-Saxons. . . . To this end, the Nazis sought to make Reichsdeutschen and Volksdeutschen into one. The State can best protect Germans when they are gathered into contiguous territory, which is big enough that the nation cannot be encircled into submission by hostile combinations of foreign powers. German minorities were better off being settled into lands under German control than suffering under Polish, Czech, and other foreign rulers who wanted them (and their ancestral lands) only to aggrandize their own non-German empires, which were catspaws to powerful foreign combinations. . . . Hitler knew that he couldn't bring all ethnic-Germans into One Reich. . . . A weak Germany commanded nothing. A strong Germany was able to order Lithuania to give back Memel without firing a shot. The foreign press, however, pretended that the Rhineland, the Saar, and the Sudetenland were German conquests and not the self-determination of Germans who had been torn from the protection of the Reich and German rule in order to keep the German nation severed and weak, and to make hostile neighbors more belligerent.

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If you want my opinion the 1935 law went too far. There was considerable resentment among the Germans that Jews had taken over the professions in Germany, particularly in the Weimar Republic period. There is considerable evidence that Jews were overrepresented demographically in fields such as medicine particularly. Many of these "Germans" thrived with the Versailles defeat and oftentimes left Germany entirely for greener pastures in America and Hollywood, where they became rabid Germanophobes. This was bitterly resented. When the Nazis came to power in 1933 they dismissed Jews from the Civil Service, which was in large part a Republican backlash. . . .
 
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I like how Bee Movie, produced and written by the New York Jew Jerry Seinfeld, is part of the conspiracy to secretly push "Jewishness" on everyone.
 
Wroclaw said:
Third time to ask this question: Have you ever had a gun to your head?
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Not that I know of. I've been asleep about 1/3 of my life and married, you tell me.

I've been drawn down on by gang members in West Philly. Since I'm here I doubt if I was in any sights for a head shot in the service.
 
I'm I the only one that can't see a Clayton Moore post without thinking of

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Are you sure you aren't a Jewish vaccine developer Clayton?
 
LemmyCaution said:
I am not accusing anyone of anything; I am acknowledging what goes on. I learned about the deep strain of antisemitism, and also the pro-Nazi bias, in denial simply by joining a discussion forum, reading the posts there, and engaging in discussion. I don't say it lightly that denial is tainted with bigotry, hard right ideological, and Nazi nostalgia. Coming at this from a rather cynical point of view, I was surprised at the blatant antisemitism I encountered at Rodoh, expecting deniers to be cleverer. They are not. Plain and simple. Here are some random comments expressing the viewpoints of denier, which I've copied from deniers' posts on a Holocaust discussion board. Some of this stuff is so vile that revisionists try various strategies to back away from it, even calling some of the posters provocateurs--sent by, you guessed it, the Jews. A search of many posts would only extend and deepen the record of bigotry, apologetics and outright defense of the Nazis in their period, and Nazi wannabe longings. These are facts which can be discussed; that denial is not filled with this kind of thinking is a fantasy or your own wishful thinking:

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This type of degenerate behaviour is the direct result of increasing Jewish influence over Western society. Most of those young people who took part in the rioting are probably no longer spiritually white after being force-fed filth like MTV from the cradle.

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MTV is and always has been controlled by the Jews. A quick history lesson on the Music Channel:

MTV’s prehistory began in 1977 on Warner Cable (a division of Warner Communications) which offered many specialized channels where Pittman had the opportunity to trial run a short 15 minute show called Album Tracks. Who were the founding Warner brothers? Here are their non-Anglicised forenames: Hirsz, Abraham, Szmul and Itzhak.

MTV as we know it today was launched in August 1981 by the Warner-Amex Satellite Entertainment Company (WASEC). The Warner side of the operation was run by David Horowitz (Jew) and Amex by Lou Gerstner (Jew). In1985 Viacom run by the notorious Sumner Redstone (Jew) bought MTV.

MTV’s primary role as a propaganda tool remains that of encouraging white women to engage in race mixing with non-whites.

How much longer can this shameless creature continue to defend Jewish evil in the world whilst pretending to be a 100% assimilated atheist?

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Of late I have noticed their projection of 'Jewishness' more, tbh. I watch a lot of kids films and cartoons with my daughter and many of them now contain blatant references to Jewishness and contain deliberately Jewish characters. A recent example would be 'Bee Movie' which I doubt anyone else on here has seen unless they also have young kids, but it centres around a colony of Bees who basically speak behave and act like wholesome, middle-class, slightly wacky and funny, New York Jews, even making open refernces to being Jewish etc I found this odd in a kids film, especialyy one about Bees. Why do that unless you are trying to project an image of some kind to your young and impressionable audience?

I really can't believe that this sort of thing is just coincidental, I am afraid.

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Obviously, my initial post has upset the kikes which tells me that my tireless research has found gold, once again.

The 200 calorie per day story is obvious ********!* If those fiendish Nazis had really been trying to starve the yids to death, why would they even bother providing 200 calories per day?* 200 calories per day multiplied by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jews--still amounts to mountains of food that could have gone instead to far more worthy mouths--who were also hungry.* Can the yids admit that the British blockade might have contributed to the hunger in the ghettoes?* Of course, not!

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Poojoo's dirty Jewish fantasy is exposed once again.* The real sadists and genocidal mass murders were, and still are, the flaming anti-Nazis like Poojoo.* They should look at themselves in the mirror and then hang themselves.

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it is plain to see that the Germans always did whatever they could for the Jews in their care, but were thwarted in their efforts at every turn by the Jews themselves. The avoidance of disinfection and the constant entry and exit of infected areas during the smuggling of contraband were responsible for bringing typhus and other diseases into the Ghettos. Later in the camps Jewish inhumanity towards the sick and weak was directly responsible for the majority of deaths we now see blamed on the Germans.

If any fault can be placed at the Germans door in this matter I think it could only be that they were not harsh enough in their enforcement of discipline on the Jews in their care. Sadly due to the war they lacked the manpower to keep a closer watch on these cunning people 24/7.

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When Charles Traynor faults the Germans for not being "harsh enough in their enforcement of discipline on the Jews in their care," he is grossly unfair. The Nazis and SS really were the "Good Guys."* The real monsters were, and still are, the Jews themselves!

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[for a view of denier humor:] http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/264316/PEER-PRESSURE

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The jews have known Mr. Gerdes' current address for a year now, and they knew his address in Lewistown for a few of years before that.

They also know that Mr. Gerdes has wet dreams about dealing with any dirty jew who would dare to **** with him.

I can't recall exactly where I read it, but on some other forum Mr. Gerdes challenged the jews to try something.

I don't think he's ever tried to hide his address and it looks to me that he could give a **** about any dirty jew knowing his address, because jews are cowards who don't have the balls to **** with Mr. Gerdes. And any dirty jew who woulld be foolish enough to try messing with Mr. Gerdes knows what's in store for it.

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Why are Jews such lying scumbags? maybe one of the jewish posters here can explain why their tribe is so given to making up this kind of crap? Is it just for money, revenge, or is there some kind of pleasure in deceit in and for itself that the jews experience when they lie?

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Hey Jew[here was posted a four letter word meaning intercourse], get a grip or prepare for war.

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Where does Charles Traynor stand on the Arizona Massacre? . . . . Charles Traynor does not consider the killing of domestic enemies of his people in a time of war to be murder. . . . Charles Traynor salutes the successful assassination of Judge M. Roll and considers it a damn shame Loughner didn’t finish the job on Gifford. . . .

As for the dead and injured:

Who cares!

A Jewish Congresswoman who would not vote to protect Arizona from illegal immigrants, a judge with political aspirations who had allowed a patriotic rancher to be sued by a Mexican organisation for daring to impede illegal’s crossing and destroying land on his ranch, and a child whose mind had already been completely poisoned by her liberal parents. Those people are no loss to any wholesome, principled society.

The other deaths don’t really seem important enough for the press to have given us much information.* I’ll just say that anyone retarded enough to waste their time hanging around a shopping mall just so they can have a chance to talk with a corrupt politician probably deserves to get blown away.

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This Easter I was staying in Germany with friends. We had previously decided to mark the Führers birthday by visiting the Horst Wessel Denkmal (Süntel).

April 20th 2011started beautifully and by 0900hrs it was t-shirt weather with the expectation of a real scorcher of a day to come. With even more Kameraden than originally expected we headed out to our destination in convoy. This particular memorial place is greatly feared by the treacherous Berlin government and knowledge of the site and its location are almost unknown amongst the present generation of Germans. Thank goodness then, that dedicated and courageous free thinkers pass this forbidden knowledge from Kamerad to Kamerad and generation to generation.
We drove out of town at a leisurely pace enjoying the beautiful sights, sounds and smells that come with spring mornings in the countryside. Eventually we reached our destination and parked our cars in a small piece of flat ground at the base of a steep wooded ridge where the log trucks pick up their loads. To get to the denkmal we still had a short walk of about 20-30 minutes ahead of us. The tree lined path we followed was extremely steep in some places and deteriorated the further we went. I had to laugh as some of my younger companions started puffing for breath only half the way up (I doubt Nick could ever make it unassisted to the denkmal in his present super-sized condition).

We were fortunate to have a guide who knew where he was going. To be honest even finding the park platz would have been a nightmare without prior knowledge. On reaching the denkmal we all became silent, being in such an extraordinary place, on such a special day awed us all. Tears swelled in the eyes of many of my companions, and although I am not normally an emotional person I could not blame them. I swore an oath privately that I would never give up the fight to save my race from the Jew. The weather was so good we stayed longer than we should have taking photos and then talking about WWII, the Cold War (which some of us were old enough to be part of) and the future of our people.

This was once a special place where families came with their children for picnics, and men proposed to their beloved. Even if the memorial was still standing today (destroyed with explosives by Americans 1945) it would be obscured by trees. The traitors in Berlin have ordered that this place is forgotten and it appears local functionaries are only too willing to comply. I look forward to The Day of the Rope for all traitors of our people in Germany.
We finished our meeting with a delicious afternoon meal in town. This was a dignified occasion and no alcohol was served.

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Thank you for that, Mr. Charles Traynor, I wish I could have been there, alas...

As for the oath, ditto for me, I will only give up the fight for truth when the guy with the scythe taps me on the shoulder, and then only reluctantly.

Armes Deutschland.

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Don’t worry about Germany, the days when those who share Roberto’s sick ideology are rapidly coming to an end. Years of extreme brainwashing never worked on my German friends, and young Germans today are not so gullible (thanks to the Internet) to automatically respect the words of deceitful teachers who stand in front of their classes denying the glory of the Third Reich.
Heil Hitler!

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The German people had far more freedom under the NS system (in the middle of a major war) than they do now in a peacetime democracy.

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Every sane person on planet Earth does not join the Jews in their canonical antipathy of everything outside themselves. In fact, as Jews are the gatekeepers of the mental health industry, "sanity" is neither here nor there for the committed culture warrior.

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Because the first duty of the State is to provide Order. The second is to protect its citizens and nationals and to promote their interests--not those of finaincial markets but of the Nation, as though it were an organic biological unit based at the fundamental level on its nuclear families, i.e., on blood rather than class or caste. . . . After German unification and nationhood in 1871, Nobility itself began to take on a different connotation than class or caste and meant exercising German citizenship. The Citizen was himself a part of the biological community, and the "Body" was healthy as long as it did not try to absorb too many alien elements, let alone pathogens. Remember that at one time Irishmen were once barely considered human by Anglo-Saxons. . . . To this end, the Nazis sought to make Reichsdeutschen and Volksdeutschen into one. The State can best protect Germans when they are gathered into contiguous territory, which is big enough that the nation cannot be encircled into submission by hostile combinations of foreign powers. German minorities were better off being settled into lands under German control than suffering under Polish, Czech, and other foreign rulers who wanted them (and their ancestral lands) only to aggrandize their own non-German empires, which were catspaws to powerful foreign combinations. . . . Hitler knew that he couldn't bring all ethnic-Germans into One Reich. . . . A weak Germany commanded nothing. A strong Germany was able to order Lithuania to give back Memel without firing a shot. The foreign press, however, pretended that the Rhineland, the Saar, and the Sudetenland were German conquests and not the self-determination of Germans who had been torn from the protection of the Reich and German rule in order to keep the German nation severed and weak, and to make hostile neighbors more belligerent.

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If you want my opinion the 1935 law went too far. There was considerable resentment among the Germans that Jews had taken over the professions in Germany, particularly in the Weimar Republic period. There is considerable evidence that Jews were overrepresented demographically in fields such as medicine particularly. Many of these "Germans" thrived with the Versailles defeat and oftentimes left Germany entirely for greener pastures in America and Hollywood, where they became rabid Germanophobes. This was bitterly resented. When the Nazis came to power in 1933 they dismissed Jews from the Civil Service, which was in large part a Republican backlash. . . .
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Wow! You don't pull any punches. I don't know how any of those quotes you said you were going to post could be any worse than what you just wrote about Jewish people.
 
Kevin.Silbstedt said:
I can't read that either, but I know the floor plans and on left is the original state of the gas chamber, that we know from this document:

[qimg]http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/image_files/151-01.jpe[/qimg]

And the plan on the right site is the actual floor plan, which was also drawn by Pressac.

If you are interested, the floor plan of Krema I in it's air raid shelter state is also available as a document.
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Then it does not actually say it is a reconstruction, does it?
 
I see that any pretense of argument based debate from the deniers has been replaced by mere trolling - unfunny trolling at that. I suppose you could call that a "new" development...
 
Clayton Moore said:
Wow! You don't pull any punches. I don't know how any of those quotes you said you were going to post could be any worse than what you just wrote about Jewish people.
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Good, substantive discussion--well, as good as we have come to expect from deniers. Thanks for that--and for your backhanded acknowledgment that the bigotry I mentioned, and Nazi reveries, are out in force amongst your lot.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I don't know how any of those quotes you said you were going to post could be any worse than what you just wrote about Jewish people.
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The important point here is that deniers tend to operate from a cluster of prejudices and fairly similar ideological preoccupations; none of them does serious historical research -- and many of the chimps aren't even aware of the historical work that's been done. The motivation of deniers isn't reconstruction of the past--or even, as they claim, revision of the history--but putting across a political-ideological viewpoint and message. That message is so repulsive, and poorly argued and baseless, that their efforts consign them to the far margins of discourse about these matters.
 
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