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kageki said:
It was just a distraction, but it's interesting how no one cares other then atrocity committed by Nazis.

I'm not really sure what the point is over OSR 24, but I realize there has been discussion about it over at RODOH so I'm not going to interfere.
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From posts in a discussion forum dedicated to Nazi atrocities, war crimes, and extermination policies and actions, you conclude that, because most posts relate to the topic, that no one cares about criminal policies and actions committed by others than the Nazis? Your powers of reasoning seem not very strong. You might try Rodoh, or you might have tried Rodoh, for a good number of the non-deniers there showed a familiarity with, and concern about, other genocides which confounds your observation. I would also wager that by far most of the non-deniers who posted there have shown more real concern for the victims of recent wars than any of the deniers and their crocodile tears and attempts to use people's suffering to score debating points.
 
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Wroclaw said:
I suggest you read Joachim Neander's recently published article on the human soap myth.
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Or so-called mainstream history. Of course, when revisionists find historians actually revising conclusions and adjusting balance, etc., as historians have consistently done with the Third Reich, working over the material from new points of view and dealing with new evidence, revisionists then adopt a mock horror at discovery of a "hoaxing" and make loud noises about "retreat" and "changing the story."

Through the decades, there have been any number of debates, the emergence of schools of though and the usual patterns of historical research and discussion, which means 1) that the Third Reich and Holocaust have been historicized and 2) revisionist whiners don't have any perspective on how "normal" history works, by what rules and standards, lacking it seems any points of contact with historical research or study of other eras and topics. To the questions asked of these clowns, to understand what they bring to the table, one could revealingly add the question what have they read about other periods of history.
 
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Wroclaw said:
That's an excellent point. Discussing witnesses with these people is a waste of f-ing time.
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I have recently been watching a TV series - The Wehrmacht. I have really enjoyed the balance of opinions from average everyday soldiers. Some thought Hitler was brilliant - others deserted. This clip is from Episode 3 - The Crimes. In terms of getting inside the average German soliders head Episode 4 is the one to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhYi3iYrwMY&feature=related
 
MG1962 said:
Wanna try that again. The first two sites dont work and the third is in a langauge I dont recognise
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You're not missing much -- it's German and refers to a study that never happened, which is why CM does not try to link to the study itself.

Nor does CM read German, zie is mindlessly parroting another lie zie was fed by the Cesspit, which zie was told was of some sort of value.

There is precisely zero evidence that Krege ever went to Treblinka other than his say-so; Krege has no training or relevant experience in the calibration, use or interpretation of the results of GPR; and couldn't even find the camp itself, which not even deniers deny was there.

However, the single screen shot that *has* been released was evaluated by Lawrence B. Conyers, author of "Ground-Penetrating Radar for Archeology" (kinda *the* textbook for this gadget's use in this context, who stated:

I looked at the web site, and the image you sent. It is only one small part of his 'grid'. The picture shows him using a 200 MHz antenna and collecting about 1 meter spaced transects in a huge grid. That image is not processed, and only shows about a 5 meter long section in one line. And even in that profile it looks like a bunch of "things" in the ground on the right hand side that could easily be mass graves. It is apparent that this guy either does not know anything of GPR, or at the very least does not know how to process it. To really do a good job, the data need to be put into a 3-D cube of reflections and processed in a batch, including ALL the profiles collected. If you really wanted to get to the bottom of this you either need to get his data and let someone else process it, or re-collect it all and re-process your own data. This is NOT a scientific or representive study of the ground by any stretch.
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This is apparently why Krege never released any such report, nor made the raw data available.
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TSR said:
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Of course, sentence was passed in 2005 (after Irving had ducked the warrant for 6 years) so if he had served all of it, that means out in 2008.

And here we are, 2011 and Irving is *still* spewing his bile.

Guess CM also has a non-standard definition of "pretty dam < sic > close.
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How anybody can take Irving seriously, after His Epic Fail in the lawsuit against Dorothy Lipstadt, I will never understand.
 
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Of course, sentence was passed in 2005 (after Irving had ducked the warrant for 6 years) so if he had served all of it, that means out in 2008.

And here we are, 2011 and Irving is *still* spewing his bile.

Guess CM also has a non-standard definition of "pretty dam < sic > close.
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How anybody can take Irving seriously, after His Epic Fail in the lawsuit against Dorothy Lipstadt, I will never understand.
 
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It would appear that not even Irving does -- have you seen his page advertising his "Wolf Lair" tour? He cherry picked 11 comments from folks who went last year.


Only two even mention him.

The frikkin' *lake* they swam in got two mentions.

The busdriver got a kudos, for crying out loud.
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It would appear that not even Irving does -- have you seen his page advertising his "Wolf Lair" tour? He cherry picked 11 comments from folks who went last year.


Only two even mention him.

The frikkin' *lake* they swam in got two mentions.

The busdriver got a kudos, for crying out loud.
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God, David Irving is the last freaking guy I would want to be a historical tour guide.
 
Asking this again because it seems to have been missed the first time around:


Clayton Moore said:
And over 50 B I L L I O N in reparations?
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What are you trying to suggest here? That the Allies invented the Holocaust as a way of extracting war reparations from Germany?

Considering that Germany had initiated a war of aggression against Poland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Holland, France, Britain, Denmark, Norway, and Russia, amongst others, it seems pretty clear Germany was going to be paying reparations regardless.
 
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You're not missing much -- it's German and refers to a study that never happened, which is why CM does not try to link to the study itself.

Nor does CM read German, zie is mindlessly parroting another lie zie was fed by the Cesspit, which zie was told was of some sort of value..
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Oh that old chestnut - okay thanks. Is it me or is the holohoax industry starting to get a truther smell about it - Nothing new ever appearing, just debunking the same old same old
 
Corsair 115 said:
What are you trying to suggest here? That the Allies invented the Holocaust as a way of extracting war reparations from Germany?
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And got less for their trouble. WW1 repatriation by Germany was 64 Billion. So 27 years later the allies got 20% less, and had to fake 40,000 pieces of evidence to do it

And deniers tell me I am delusional :boggled:
 
Wroclaw said:
Well, at one point, Ukrainians were being put to that task. It was precisely on my making that point that Dr. Terry posted a much more comprehensive list of people who held that responsibility.
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I still can't find this post.

Give me some names he listed to make searching easier.
 
kageki said:
Give me some names he listed to make searching easier.
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That would be post 1625.

Took me all of 15 seconds to find using the names "Nick Terry" and "Ukrainian".

The names listed by Mr. Terry include such names as "SS men", "SS doctors" and "Sonderkommando".
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