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Not to put too fine a point on it, that's almost 1.3 m3 of ashes.

It's said that 200 in3 is sufficient for storing human remains, and that's equivalent to 0.0032774128 m3.

You can do the math from there.
 
Clayton Moore said:
How many Zyklon-B gas chamber executions would it have taken the Germans to figure out that pumping the air out of the chamber would be faster and much safer for the workers?
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Please explain why none of the US states that formerly used gas chambers for executions ever switched to vacuum asphyxiation if this is so obvious.
 
Wroclaw said:
Not to put too fine a point on it, that's almost 1.3 m3 of ashes.

It's said that 200 in3 is sufficient for storing human remains, and that's equivalent to 0.0032774128 m3.

You can do the math from there.
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Confused about where this is going, I am getting 469 in 1.3 cubic meters. But this is only the case for very high temperature chamber cremation - producing human ashes only. Not low temperature open air cremation which includes all the wood ash as well
 
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little grey rabbit said:
Confused about where this is going, I am getting 469 in 1.3 cubic meters. But this is only the case for very high temperature chamber cremation - producing human ashes only. Not low temperature open air cremation which includes all the wood ash as well
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My fault. That's 120,000 cubic meters. Now do the math.
 
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My fault. That's 1.3 million cubic meters.
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Well thats 469 million then.

But since the old liar didn't discover 1.3 million cubic meters or even 1.3 cubic metres of ash at Treblinka II, the whole discussion is simply an angels on the head of a pin intellectual exercise.
 
So it was

What have

1. Karl Hermann Strüffling
2. Heinrich Remmlinger
3. Ernst Böhm
4. Eduard Sonnenfeld
5. Herbard Janike
6. Erwin Skotki
7. Ernst Gehrer

8. Ehrich Paul Vogel
9. Franz Wiese
10. Arno Diere

and

11. Günther Hundt

in common?

(Despite having German names?)
 
little grey rabbit said:
Well thats 469 million then.

But since the old liar didn't discover 1.3 million cubic meters or even 1.3 cubic metres of ash at Treblinka II, the whole discussion is simply an angels on the head of a pin intellectual exercise.
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However we know from the dimensions of the pits at Treblinka that 6 million unreduced corpses could be easily stored in the volume available
 
MaxMurx said:
What have

1. Karl Hermann Strüffling
2. Heinrich Remmlinger
3. Ernst Böhm
4. Eduard Sonnenfeld
5. Herbard Janike
6. Erwin Skotki
7. Ernst Gehrer

8. Ehrich Paul Vogel
9. Franz Wiese
10. Arno Diere

and

11. Günther Hundt

in common?

(Despite having German names?)
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That they are mostly irrelevant to a discussion about the Holocaust?

Care to tell us what happened to Guta and Abus Strawczynski?
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They were German Wehrmacht and SS members

Nr.1 -7 were hanged
Nr. 8 - 10 sentenced to 15 years in prison

during war crime trials in Leningrad.
Nr. 11 escaped,

Their crime:
They were accused and convicted for the Katyn murders.

The 10 page "official" Soviet report was comparable to the one linked above "I found a bombcrater with 20m diameter, 6m deep whichs surface was covered by ashes and sand, the ashes undoubtly being human ashes."

Question:
The crater was conic or a cylinder?
Bomb from an air raid or deliberately planted explosive?
How was excluded the victims being killed by that air raid?
The report said, "ashes were found on 2000 square meters"- but not "fields of ashes with a surface of 2000 square meters each were found". What was the volume of ashes?


How atrocities really have to be investigated had been shown by the Wehrmacht investigating the Katyn mass graves. However: until 1990 all former allies denied knowing the report and accused the Germans.

The 343-pages report (in German) is here (every dead body was autopsied and identified if possible, death causes were determined in every single case, everything was carefully documented, 12 independent experts from different nations, the Polish Red Cross and the Polish Catholic Church had participated in writing the report. The ICRC was invited but refused to send a delegate.

http://ns-archiv.national-socialism...tliches_Material_zum_Massenmord_von_Katyn.pdf
 
I see my postings multiple times. Is that aproblem of my computer or are they posted multiple times?

If so: sorry, I can´t do anything about it.
 
MG1962 said:
However we know from the dimensions of the pits at Treblinka that 6 million unreduced corpses could be easily stored in the volume available
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I don't know. What are the dimensions of what pits?

Jan Wiernick in 1944 spoke of 3 pits of 50 by 25 by 10 - but subsequently no one has located these mysterious cavities

Edit: You might want to consider in your answer that in 1937 the Polish Foreign Minister, Colonel Josef Beck, had stated that out of the 3 and half million Polish Jews, "three million were superfluous and must emigrate."
 
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MaxMurx said:
How atrocities really have to be investigated had been shown by the Wehrmacht investigating the Katyn mass graves. However: until 1990 all former allies denied knowing the report and accused the Germans.
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It is enjoyable to watch Nazi huggers lie. You are aware of early 1950's US investigation that concluded that the Soviets were responsible. It was known long before 1990 that the Soviets were responsible and the vast majority of the west accepted it long before 1990. Even at the time Soviet denials rang hollow and this was known to western governments. It wasn't until 1990 that the Russians officially admitted the truth in the west this was long known and admitted by western governments during the cold war.

THank you for the lie it is very funny. Oh and I love the nazi website you linked to.
 
MaxMurx said:
How atrocities really have to be investigated had been shown by the Wehrmacht investigating the Katyn mass graves. However: until 1990 all former allies denied knowing the report and accused the Germans.
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evidence? I didn't think so.
 
Pacal said:
It is enjoyable to watch Nazi huggers lie. You are aware of early 1950's US investigation that concluded that the Soviets were responsible. It was known long before 1990 that the Soviets were responsible and the vast majority of the west accepted it long before 1990. Even at the time Soviet denials rang hollow and this was known to western governments. It wasn't until 1990 that the Russians officially admitted the truth in the west this was long known and admitted by western governments during the cold war.

THank you for the lie it is very funny. Oh and I love the nazi website you linked to.
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I became interested in and reading about WW2 in the 1970's and I seem to recall it was common knowledge then. However it was a bit like Hitlers remains. Everyone knew, but till the Russians opened their archives, nothing could be proved.
 
MaxMurx said:
However: until 1990 all former allies denied knowing the report and accused the Germans.
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I'm sure you think you're quite clever and that none of us had ever considered this before.

I don't know which is worse: that Nazis tell you people these lies or that you people believe them.

EVERYONE knew the Germans hadn't done Katyn and that the Soviets had. It was the the worst kept secret in the world. There was a huge row at Nuremberg over the Soviets trying to introduce it into evidence against the Nazis. The U.S. and U.K. both refused, which is why you won't find it mentioned in any specific indictment at Nuremberg and why the Soviets ultimately had to stage their own trial to "convict" these men.

Arguably, Sikorski also knew, and the need to maintain an alliance between the Soviets and the U.K. was one reason why everyone made sure Sikorski didn't survive the war.

You should read Soliders by Rolf Hochhuth for some indication of just how much everyone knew on this point. That Gorbachev admitted to it in '90 was merely the icing on the cake.

Now: Do you intend on trying my last nerve by making the allegation that because the Soviets actually were responsible for Katyn, they must therefore have committed all other atrocities pinned on the Nazis? Or perhaps you'd like to tell us all that all other excavations are inferior compared to the one done at Katyn?

Do you people all utterly lack logical facilities?

Well do you?
 
MaxMurx said:
The 10 page "official" Soviet report was comparable to the one linked above "I found a bombcrater with 20m diameter, 6m deep whichs surface was covered by ashes and sand, the ashes undoubtly being human ashes."
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This is the worst example of misquoting I have seen yet. Saggy does a better job.

"I found a bombcrater"
The largest of the craters....was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the (mass burial) pit in this part of the camp.

"whichs surface was covered by ashes and sand"
In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand

"the ashes undoubtly being human ashes"
"with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin"

"The crater was conic or a cylinder?"
Try looking at the photo.....
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

"How was excluded the victims being killed by that air raid?"
An air raid by whom? No UK/US bomber could reach Treblinka until 1944. The camp closed in 1943.
 
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