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Wow, vague, sourceless claims dismissing all of the other side's evidence offhand! I've never seen that from you before.
Before 1992 there was one incontrovertible piece of evidence of the holohoax, that is the gas chamber at Auschwitz, which to all appearances is a typical morgue room in a crematorium, except for the four holes and wooden chutes in the ceiling, and these chutes were the single piece of decisive evidence. After all there were no bodies showing signs of gas poisioning, the 'gas chamber' at Majdanek was an obvious hoax on examination, as even holohoax proponent Michael Shermer confirmed. So, the gas chamber at Auschwitz was the single piece of incontrovertible evidence, and it was proved by the holes and chutes in the ceiling.
Then, in 1992 the world leaned, thanks to David Cole, that the chutes in the ceiling of what really was a typical morgue room in a crematorium were not built by the Nazis, but added after the war by the Russians.
The single piece of evidence for the holohoax was a fabrication, a pure hoax.
Simple as that, Nick. For those who haven't seen Cole's expose', here it is ....
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
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Not sure what your point is here. Did anyone know that the 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz was a hoax before Cole exposed it? Of course, the Russians knew it when they built it.
The point was that Cole got the director of the Museum, Frantisek Piper, to admit on camera that the chutes were a hoax.
Nick Terry
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This is Denier Bollocks Bingo #19
Here's the entire Denier Bollocks Bingo list. Please avoid all these arguments as they have all been refuted and/or lead on to tedious repetition, and most definitely make any would-be revisioist look very stupid indeed.
Contributions are welcomed from the sane to update DBB - I think 'Wiesel' deserves a separate entry now, since the chimps are so fixated on him. Plus some of the arguments listed are now out of favour in this even more benighted age, where Saggy repeats about a dozen arguments in a round-robin. Saggy and co wouldn't even have the wit to make the Sanning gambit...
1. Jewish Bolshevism/Jews started the revolution/controlled the Soviet Union
2. The "first six million"
3. Jewish Declaration of War, Daily Express 1933
4. anybody but the Germans started WWII
5. Nazi Germany was a wonderful place
6. The Wannsee conference never took place/the protocol is a forgery
7. Hitler didn't know
8. Nazi policy was emigration [pretending this was true throughout]
9. Ausrottung and Vernichtung don't mean extermination
10. Transfer Agreement [if introduced irrelevantly into discussion about 1940s]
11. six million gassed (bonus for 'at Auschwitz')
12. Auschwitz 4 million
13. Auschwitz swimming pool
14. Red Cross visit to Auschwitz
15. Other Auschwitz recreational facilities
16. Bendel and 'German methods'
17. Hoess was tortured
18. Vergasungskeller means "air raid carburetion delousing morgue"
19. Auschwitz crematorium a fake
20. Auschwitz crematoria destroyed by Soviets
21. Auschwitz Jews chose to go with the Nazis rather than stay behind with the Commies
22. "no holes"
23. Determine national origin by the colour of the smoke
24. Can't kill with an insecticide
25. no autopsy of a gassing victim
26. steam chambers/electric chambers
27. Richard Krege and GPR
28. Diesel gas chambers
29. Abraham Bomba
30. Wiernik's shoulderblade
31. Treblinka was where the rail gauges changed
32. First they called Belsen and Dachau extermination camps, then the story shifted to Auschwitz
33. Moshe Peer/Belsen
34. Dachau gas chamber
35. no extermination camps in Germany
36. Lachout document
37. Pedal driven brain bashing machine
38. Hunger in the camps in 1945 was the fault of the Allies
39. 'geysers of blood'
40. Babi Yar massacre never happened, the air photos prove it! 41. no mass graves were found
42. How come so-and-so survived the war?
43. Jewish partisans
44. Stalin killed them!
45. "Jews went where Jews are"
46. Walter Sanning
47. World Almanac
48. Too many Holocaust survivors
50. ITS Arolsen figures scan
51. All Soviet Jews were evacuated
52. Jews bombed by the Allies
53. Hoettl and the six million
54. Six million is Talmudic/religious in origin
55. exaggerated Dresden death toll
56. Japanese internment just as bad
57. Communism killed 100 million
58. James Bacque/Other Losses
59. Holocaust denial gets you jailed [not in 80% of the Western world it doesn't]
60. Holocaust is the only historical event protected by law [false]
61. Holocaust revisionists are not antisemitic
62. Holocaust revisionists are not neo-Nazis
63. Holocaust revisionists are scientists/historians
64. Rassinier says... (appeal to spurious authority)
65. Butz says..
66. Rudolf
67. Leuchter
68. David Cole
69. Mark Weber/Mattogno/whoever is a Zionist mole
70. David Irving was never a real revisionist 71. Pressac was a cryptorevisionist
72. the Zundel trial was a great victory73. Vrba and 'poetic license'
74. Hilberg
75. "imminent collapse" of Holohoax
75. "revisionism is growing"
76. Ahmadinejad's endorsement of revisionism is a good thing
77. Katyn
78. 'Jewish soap'
79. Nuremberg judgement false claims (steam chamber, etc etc)
80. Victors write the history
81. Why didn't Churchill mention...?
82. Fact x is not well-known or kept out of the history [score if you can produce Wikipedia page about fact x]
83. this photo is faked [when obvious denier Photoshop effort is posted]
84. Anne Frank diary a forgery
85. They never tell you Anne Frank died of typhus
86. that document is a forgery
87. no documents say x
88. Jews own the entire porn industry
89. Jews control x (media, countries, etc)
90. Compensation was for six million dead
91. fake survivors
92. Einsatzgruppen carried out only reprisals
I think 'Wiesel' deserves a separate entry now, since the chimps are so fixated on him.
You can't get away from Weisel, Nick. And it wasn't the 'chimps' that gave him a Nobel prize, or was it? Who made him the first director of the USHMM, the chimps? LOL, you're right, it was the chimps.
Here is a sample of the degenerate lies that typify Weisel, and typify the holohoax, ...
"Babies were thrown into the air and the machine gunners used them as targets."
This quote from 'Night' appears in an essay lauding the book, btw, ...
http://www.essaytrader.net/get.php?essay=31816
One needs go no further than Weisel to realize that the 'holocaust' is a complete 100% kosher hoax.
Nick Terry
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Denier Bollocks Bingo #93
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If the question was whether anyone could have, before David Cole, asked the guides at Auschwitz whether the gas chamber they were being shown was a reconstruction, then the answer is 'yes'.
-and the testimony of hundreds if not thousands of participants in the project, including Adolf Eichmann and other MAJOR Nazis.
-and the deportation orders and records for millions of Jews in Central and Western Europe...to "the East". Their final destination and place of resettlement is of course never mentioned.
-and the mass-graves in Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.
...by the way Saggy, if millions of Jews from Central and Western Europe were re-settled in "the East", which we much assume is Poland and the USSR....where are all of these Jews & their descendants today? Why haven't they contacted their relatives in the Americas & Israel?
There were around 18 million Jews in 1939, that would mean there would be at least 25 million Jews today. Where are all these millions of hiding Juden?
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*pats Clayton on head*
Don't worry, it'll be okay. We won't let the nasty Jews get you. Now go back to sleep.
(Ah, I can't wait to see the ant get squashed yet again by the elephant.)
Sorry T, there are no mass graves, save those of NKVD victims at Katyn, Vinnitsa, and elsewhere. There is not a SINGLE EXCAVATED MASS GRAVE OF HOLOHOAX VICTIMS. Nowhere.
Just for the 'scholars' like Nick Terry, I recently read on codoh that as part of Blobel's 'confession' he said that he was unable to reach many of the mass graves in the east. The logical question, had his interrogators not known the whole operation (# forgotten) was a Zionist fantasy, would have been to ask him where these mass graves happened to be. Oops, opportunity missed.
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Which, to discover, would require reading many of the books these guys dismiss in favor of Wiesel and Wiesel and Wiesel.
Nick Terry
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Be warned: the following articles & photographs have not been posted on JREF, and do not exist.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14786957,00.html
Over a thousand mass graves have been identified in Belarus, Poland, Russia and Ukraine by the French volunteer association "Yahad in Unum," led by Catholic priest Patrick Desbois.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19053913/ns/world_news-europe/t/mass-holocaust-grave-unearthed-ukraine/
A mass grave holding the remains of thousands of Jews killed by the Nazis has been found in southern Ukraine near the site of what was once a concentration camp, a Jewish community representative said Tuesday.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2031066,00.html
But now a suspected mass grave has been found in the Vulturi forest, and some are hoping that the discovery will help Romania face up to one of the darkest periods in its history.
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blprisoner19.htm
Be warned: the following articles & photographs have not been posted on JREF, and do not exist.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14786957,00.html
Over a thousand mass graves have been identified in Belarus, Poland, Russia and Ukraine by the French volunteer association "Yahad in Unum," led by Catholic priest Patrick Desbois.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19053913/ns/world_news-europe/t/mass-holocaust-grave-unearthed-ukraine/
A mass grave holding the remains of thousands of Jews killed by the Nazis has been found in southern Ukraine near the site of what was once a concentration camp, a Jewish community representative said Tuesday.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2031066,00.html
But now a suspected mass grave has been found in the Vulturi forest, and some are hoping that the discovery will help Romania face up to one of the darkest periods in its history.
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blprisoner19.htm
Note that I didn't say that no mass graves of holohoax victims have been found. I don't doubt that thousands have been found.
Why, I found a mass grave myself, right in my own backyard.
What do the holohoax mass graves, and the mass grave I found in my back yard have in common?
If you guess that none of these mass graves has been excavated, you'd be correct.
So, the claim that no excavated mass graves of holohoax victims has been found is correct.
I'd excavate the mass grave in my backyard except for the fact that it would conflict with my religious dictates. Just like the holohoax mass graves, right?
thousands of Holocaust mass-graves have been found.
got any evidence that NONE of them have been excavated?
this is YOUR claim.
http://www.anti-semitism.net/holocaust/holocaust-mass-grave-discovered-in-romania-accident-crime.php
http://www.life.com/image/86176238
http://davidsbeenhere.com/dbhweb/travel-news/125
...and apparently, the claim is WRONG.
Three minutes of research proved you wrong, Saggy.
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Saggy, please address:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19053913/ns/world_news-europe/t/mass-holocaust-grave-unearthed-ukraine/
There's one. Let's discuss it, and then we can move on to the next, K?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19053913/ns/world_news-europe/t/mass-holocaust-grave-unearthed-ukraine/
There's one. Let's discuss it, and then we can move on to the next, K?
So they excavated this grave, but not AR camps?
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Regardless it is one more than Saggy claimed
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