Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Craig4]

I think you could probably have stopped at "hasn't read much".

 

[Saggy]

What fun...

Congrats, Wroc. You at least posted something relevant to the discussion. That is, wartime phantasmagoria.

 

[Saggy]

1. You still haven't proven even one lie.

That's the spirit. Support the degenerate lies, the shrunken heads, the babies torn in two. Etc. You are demonstrating that there is no limit to Zionist depravity.

 

[Saggy]

Saggy, it may come as a big surprise to you, but pretty much everyone who actually reads a proper book on the Third Reich soon enough realises that the Nazis murdered millions of non-Jews as well as murdering millions of Jews.

LOL. Would that be five million non-Jews? It may come as a surprise to you, but now even Deborah Lipstadt admits that that number is pure fiction, made up by Simon Wiesenthal for the simple reason that it sounded good.

 

[LemmyCaution]

LOL. Would that be five million non-Jews? It may come as a surprise to you, but now ever Deborah Lipstadt admits that that number is pure fiction, made up by Simon Wiesenthal for the simple reason that it sounded good.

What the heck does Saggy make of Christian Streit's work on the treatment of Soviet POWs?

 

[Saggy]

One from CODOH ....

Holohoax Memory Fiction ..... get this ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNjbw36Lw8o

 

[jargon buster]

saggy wrote

It may come as a surprise to you, but now even Deborah Lipstadt admits that that number is pure fiction, made up by Simon Wiesenthal for the simple reason that it sounded good.

don't you mean sounded bad?

Oh hang on ,I remember reading some of your other posts, I think "good" was probably the word you were looking for.

 

[Nick Terry]

LOL. Would that be five million non-Jews? It may come as a surprise to you, but now even Deborah Lipstadt admits that that number is pure fiction, made up by Simon Wiesenthal for the simple reason that it sounded good.

You are a broken record. You already wheeled that one out several times. Having incanted the cliche and waved your magic wand, it seems all thought processes were stopped, much like when a computer user presses 'end task' on Windows Task Manager because the program has crashed. Only it's your brain that's the program.

Saggy, a word of advice. It would really help your shattered credibility if you didn't repeat yourself quite as much. You are not actually participating in a discussion here, you're simply interjecting a series of cliches into the thread. Quite why you are doing this is a mystery, since by doing so you make yourself look like an incoherent hysteric, and also discredit revisionism, because vanishingly few people are going to want to sign up to a creed whose standard-bearers are tedious and repetitive.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

That's the spirit. Support the degenerate lies, the shrunken heads, the babies torn in two.

Show us that these are lies! And remember, lies(!), not just mistakes. You are just repeating your crap, which doesn't make it anymore true. So shut the **** up or prove it!

You are demonstrating that there is no limit to Zionist depravity.

You are demonstrating, that you are too *********** stupid to even understand the basic principles of science, let alone history. What a complete retard do you have to be, to still repeat all this denier nonsense, after everyone has shown you why and how it is a bunch of pathetic BS. But, what do you expect from some pathetic fascist looser.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Thats got to be the most pathetic document ever.

All the official laws and regulations I have seen of the period were in gothic typescript.

Then you clearly haven't seen many official Nazi documents. Here's one from early 1941, in Roman type, banning the use of Gothic typeface.

Circular (not for publication)

To the attention of all, I act on behalf of the Fuehrer:

To see the so-called Gothic typeface as a German typeface, or to call it such, is incorrect. In reality, the so-called Gothic typeface consists of Schwabacher Jewish letters. . . .

On this day, the Fuehrer decided . . . that the Roman script will be used in the future as a normal script. Gradually, all printed matter should be converted to this standard font. Once schoolbooks are available in the village schools and elementary schools only the normal script will be taught.

The use of the Schwabacher Jewish letters by authorities will be avoided in the future. Certificates of appointment of officials, road signs and the like will henceforth be made only in normal font. . . .

Signed M. Bormann

We are also told that Hitler preferred the large and unique Fuehrer typescript for issuing documents, but this is normal typescript.

Told by whom? Hitler speech to the Reichstag, 1934:

Your alleged gothic internalisation does not fit well in this age of steel and iron, glass and concrete, of womanly beauty and manly strength, of head raised high and intention defiant... In a hundred years, our language will be the European language. The nations of the east, the north and the west will, to communicate with us, learn our language. The prerequisite for this: The script called Gothic is replaced by the script we have called Latin so far.

(source)

There appears to be no day book or journal reference number at all. And the most basic of stamps and no letter head of any description.

You'll find many official documents for which this is true, if you bother to look.

Now, please explain, if you would, LGR, why, in view of this astounding display of ignorance, anyone should take your unsourced claims the least bit seriously.

 

[Walter Ego]

Then you clearly haven't seen many official Nazi documents. Here's one from early 1941, in Roman type, banning the use of Gothic typeface.

To see the so-called Gothic typeface as a German typeface, or to call it such, is incorrect. In reality, the so-called Gothic typeface consists of Schwabacher Jewish letters. . .

Schwabacher Jewish letters? Like I said, those Nazis took things to extremes.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Schwabacher Jewish letters? Like I said, those Nazis took things to extremes.

Yeah, I thought that one was a little bizarre, even by Nazi standards. Probably part of the "anything we don't like must be a Jewish plot" mantra.

 

[MG1962]

LOL. Would that be five million non-Jews? It may come as a surprise to you, but now even Deborah Lipstadt admits that that number is pure fiction, made up by Simon Wiesenthal for the simple reason that it sounded good.

If you actually read the review you would know Lipstadt did no such thing. Wiesenthal was called out by two Jewish holocaust historians. Weisenthals 5 million have passed into public knowledge, but serious historians have always known the number had flaws.

And lets not forget it is a matter of opinion driving these numbers. Nearly 4 million Catholics were systematically killed by the Nazis. They dont count for any other reason than their death was not specific to their religion or culture. Their deaths were even more meaningless than the Jews, they were killed because they were simply in the way.

 

[Dogzilla]

No, and you are now compounding the problem. Little Grey Rabbit tried to rebut a claim that the document was, as he put it, "an official law or regulation." It was neither. Nor did Walter Ego claim it to be a law or regulation. Walter Ego simply produced a document related to the euthanasia in response to a post which implied none would be found. He called it a decree IIRC and noted the backdating. Little Grey Rabbit called the document pathetic and tried to support this judgment by saying that the document did not meet the criteria for something it was not and was not claimed to be. That is trying to refute a claim that was not made--neither by Walter Ego nor by the mainstream historians whom Saggy and other deniers so often strawman.

Try again.

Saggy expressed an assumption that the euthanasia program was documented with the usual German thoroughness and asked where the documents could be found. WalterEgo offered up this one document that he said was written on Hitler's personal stationary and was signed by Hitler himself which he called the "euthanasia decree" Not "a euthanasia decree." Not "one of the euthanasia decrees."He called it "the euthanasia decree."

Do you think WalterEgo was saying "I couldn't find any official laws or regulations related to the euthanasia program but I have here a copy of the unofficial euthanasia decree that Hitler wrote on his personal stationary and signed that will suffice"?

Do we not have any "official" documents related to the euthanasia program?

 

[Dogzilla]

Of course, you wouldn't. But any rational observer would expect a number of news stories concerning European Jews during these years. With widespread persecution of the Jews by the National Socialists and their allies, and then the Holocaust, what would be surprising would be an absence of news about the persecution. Given the dimensions of the crime and the numbers of victims, and the way in which cities and territories were reshaped by the deportations and genocides, the number of stories cited by Nick Terry seems rather on the low side than the high side.

I would expect *some* stories about the persecution of the Jews just as I would expect *some* stories about the persecution of the Poles, the Russian POWs, and every other group that was persecuted by the Nazis during the holocaust. How much press did all the other persecuted minorities receive during the war? (Because the holocaust isn't just about the Jews.)

 

[Dogzilla]

That'd be a good point if it were true. And, if you were comparing across several different newspapers over time, you'd have to do that — it's true.

But you are looking for terms in a single newspaper. Therefore, it is fair to assume that style would be relatively constant, if for no other reason due to the fact that the authors of the articles would remain relatively the same over time.

You are correct that it would be very helpful to have a sampling of other newspapers. Unfortunately the NYT is the only newspaper I know of that has a comprehensive archive available on the web.

 

[Dogzilla]

Are you really this stupid or just pretending to be?

I'm just pretending to be for TSR's benefit. He loves it when I do that.

 

[Dogzilla]

Wow, what a stunning example of all-or-nothing thinking...

OK, do you believe that any part of this story is true? That there were flaming pits filled with bodies is probably something you believe is true. Do you believe there was a flaming pit that contained only babies? Do you believe that a lorry brought loads of babies into Auschwitz? Do you believe the lorry dumped the babies directly into the flaming pits?

Which part of Elie Wiesel's story to do you believe is true and which part is false?

 

[Saggy]

Saggy expressed an assumption that the euthanasia program was documented with the usual German thoroughness and asked where the documents could be found. WalterEgo offered up this one document that he said was written on Hitler's personal stationary and was signed by Hitler himself which he called the "euthanasia decree" Not "a euthanasia decree." Not "one of the euthanasia decrees."He called it "the euthanasia decree."

Do you think WalterEgo was saying "I couldn't find any official laws or regulations related to the euthanasia program but I have here a copy of the unofficial euthanasia decree that Hitler wrote on his personal stationary and signed that will suffice"?

Do we not have any "official" documents related to the euthanasia program?

Butz referred to the Hitler decree, which I noted in my first post on the subject. What I was thinking about were the routine records at the hospital, like the Auschwitz death records, the names/dates/etc., not 'decrees'.

 

[Saggy]

Saggy, a word of advice. It would really help your shattered credibility if you didn't repeat yourself quite as much. You are not actually participating in a discussion here, you're simply interjecting a series of cliches into the thread.

I'm sure you view the actual facts of the holohoax as inconvenient 'cliches'. Nothing I can do about that.

One of the biggest errors one can make concerning the hoax is to believe that it is a coherent plausible story that actually could have happened, and that careful and thorough research is required to determine whether or not it did happen. That is not the case at all, the holohoax is ABSURD on its face, no research is needed to know that the holohoax is a collection of degenerate lies, all that is need is to repeat the lies by quoting the actual Jewish 'eyewitnesses'.

So, it is perfectly natural that you do not want to discuss the ACTUAL TESTIMONY of degenerates like Elie Weisel and Yankel Weirnik, but you can't dissuade me from repeating it VERBATIM by calling me names, or even by offering sincere 'advice', LOL.