Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Pacal]

Dogzilla said:

What else could those facilities be? Treblinka, e.g., was a very tiny camp. Over 700,000 people were sent there according to German wartime records. They sure as h**l weren't murdered there because there's no evidence of that happening.

They stopped. They got clean. They went on their merry way.

I just am absolutely speechless at this comment. It is quite simply false. May I suggest you read Into That Darkness by Gitta Sereny, which was based on her extensive, detailed interviews with Franz Stangel commandant of Treblinka. He had no problem telling Ms. Sereny in detail all about the gassing and killings that went on in his camp. He had no problem at all. In fact the only time he got upset was about one survivor who accused him of shooting someone. Stangel seemed to be upset that this person who m he had shown "favour" wasn't showing gratitude! however about his involvement in mass murder he had no problem.

I wish to join the others in asking for the evidence that the people who arrived in Treblinka left it. Please show this abundant evidence of trainloads of people leaving the camp.

Please explain why Franz Stangel would lie about taking part in monsterous crimes.

Please explain why the Nazi's would ship people 70 miles to delouse them when they could do it in Warsaw and in the towns they were shipping people from if that was the case.

Please explain why the survivors describe mass gassing and why surviving guards described same. No special pleading here and just so stories.

Oh and your last comment is a stunning example of callousness. "They stopped. They got clean. They went on their merry way."

Lets see in the Warsaw ghetto these people had been imprisoned for years deliberately given starvation rations, treated brutally and tens of thousands had died. They were forcibly put on cattle cars and stuffed together, with little water, toilet facilities etc. In the camp there where whips and beatings and hangings all admitted by the guards. But you reduce to a jolly country outing. I think I'm going to be sick.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I wish to join the others in asking for the evidence that the people who arrived in Treblinka left it. Please show this abundant evidence of trainloads of people leaving the camp.

The holocaust deniers cannot answer that question for two reasons.

Firstly the 713,555 (minimum) people never left Treblinka in reality.

Secondly, their "reference" book was Carlo Mattogno & Jürgen Graf's Treblinka Extermination Camp or Transit Camp which doesn't reach any conclusion at all, but says " Above all, it is entirely unclear where the Jews deported to Treblinka ultimately wound up". In addition Graf & Mattogno wrote this "paper" before the Hofle Telegram was decoded and their estimate of Treblinka's population was debunked thoroughly.

Graf & Mattogno are buffoons. Graf now lives in Tehran working for Ahmadinejad. In their book on Majdanek they reached the conclusion "It is unknown how many people were executed" yet holocaust deniers keep using this book to say there was no holocaust at Majdanek. Holocaust deniers don't read very much including their own books.

Link to Holocaust Denier publication "Treblinka: Extermination or Transit Camp"
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Hey Walter.

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Howdy Pooshoodog. I have seen your good work on Rodohforum and welcome reading your contributions here. However the moderators at JREF apply their forum rules without hesitation to everyone and are very quick to move posts with name calling to the "abandon all hope" holding pen. I suggest you keep it "clean" and use evidence and good arguments to keep the holocaust deniers on the back foot. Keep it up!

Roberto Muehlenkamp from Rodoh is helping me on the Skeptic Society's anti-holocaust denial forum, which is a bit more colourful in regards to language but shares the same basic rules as JREF's forum.

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39

 

[pooshoodog]

Dogzilla said:



I just am absolutely speechless at this comment. It is quite simply false. May I suggest you read Into That Darkness by Gitta Sereny, which was based on her extensive, detailed interviews with Franz Stangel commandant of Treblinka. He had no problem telling Ms. Sereny in detail all about the gassing and killings that went on in his camp. He had no problem at all. In fact the only time he got upset was about one survivor who accused him of shooting someone. Stangel seemed to be upset that this person who m he had shown "favour" wasn't showing gratitude! however about his involvement in mass murder he had no problem.

I wish to join the others in asking for the evidence that the people who arrived in Treblinka left it. Please show this abundant evidence of trainloads of people leaving the camp.

Please explain why Franz Stangel would lie about taking part in monsterous crimes.

Please explain why the Nazi's would ship people 70 miles to delouse them when they could do it in Warsaw and in the towns they were shipping people from if that was the case.

Please explain why the survivors describe mass gassing and why surviving guards described same. No special pleading here and just so stories.

Oh and your last comment is a stunning example of callousness. "They stopped. They got clean. They went on their merry way."

Lets see in the Warsaw ghetto these people had been imprisoned for years deliberately given starvation rations, treated brutally and tens of thousands had died. They were forcibly put on cattle cars and stuffed together, with little water, toilet facilities etc. In the camp there where whips and beatings and hangings all admitted by the guards. But you reduce to a jolly country outing. I think I'm going to be sick.

It is interesting to observe the putrid, mendacious mindset of Holocaust
deniers in coping with irrefutable evidence such as the confessions that
Stangl made to Sereny. Deniers have even alleged that Sereny fabricated
the interviews and had Stangl murdered to cover up her deed. Of course,
one assumes that this sort of ranting comes from desperate fools who
have never seen "Into That Darkness," and were, thus, unaware that
Sereny had interviewed many other corroborating figures who she failed
to murder, including Stangl's wife who described his hesitant confession to
her regarding his murderous role.

For unmitigated idiocy, no revisionist can compete with Robert Faurrison
who had this to say about Sereny's interview of Stangle

"As for Sobibor and Treblinka, one should read Ms. Sereny's own book Into That Darkness (AndrÈ Deutsch, 1974). In 70 hours of talks with Franz Stangl, Ms. Sereny did not ask one question about the technicalities of the "gas chambers." What kind of gas? What mechanism for gassing? What chemical process? How many victims? How was it possible to enter right away? There is not even one shred of evidence, nor one item of proof, that even one "gas chamber" existed in either Sobibor or Treblinka. Ms. Sereny does not even give the real plans of the camps!"

For Robert Faurrison, Stangl's admission of mass murder via gas chambers
had no validity because the hair splitting details of engine exhaust technology
were not discussed. It would be as if historians were to deny the Cambodian
genocide if each precise rock used to smash each victims skull were unknown.

That Faurrison missed Sereny's intent to disect Stangl's moral structure,
rather than to obsessively dwell on the simple and primative means of
committing the crime, speaks volumes about the frightening shallowness
of Holocaust deniers.

 

[pooshoodog]

Howdy Pooshoodog. I have seen your good work on Rodohforum and welcome reading your contributions here. However the moderators at JREF apply their forum rules without hesitation to everyone and are very quick to move posts with name calling to the "abandon all hope" holding pen. I suggest you keep it "clean" and use evidence and good arguments to keep the holocaust deniers on the back foot. Keep it up!

Roberto Muehlenkamp from Rodoh is helping me on the Skeptic Society's anti-holocaust denial forum, which is a bit more colourful in regards to language but shares the same basic rules as JREF's forum.



Thanks for the welcome, Mathew. Old RODOH habits die hard, but I will
strive to minimize my use of the term chimp as a reference to those
who deny the Holocaust.

Thanks for the link to the Skeptic Society's anti-holocaust denial forum.

 

[little grey rabbit]

This is in contrast to the Reinhard Transit Camps that have
never been described, to my knowledge, by a single guest
or employee. I forget why we are supposed to believe that
these transit camps existed? Perhaps, if all witnesses are
liewitnesses, the only truth is the utterly unwitnessed.

Maybe you understand how these chimps reason?

Not true at all. The indefagatible Yitzak Arad did some extremely valuable work in regards to Durchgangslager Malkinia

http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.c...-as-transit-camp-salonika-auschwitz-malkinia/

 

[little grey rabbit]

Howdy Pooshoodog. I have seen your good work on Rodohforum and welcome reading your contributions here. However the moderators at JREF apply their forum rules without hesitation to everyone and are very quick to move posts with name calling to the "abandon all hope" holding pen. I suggest you keep it "clean" and use evidence and good arguments to keep the holocaust deniers on the back foot. Keep it up!

Far from "doing good work", the Hoaxsters of RODOH have run up the white flag and have gone on strike as a tactical response to being made to look at mendacious so frequently.

RODOH is no longer the place where the two sides can meet and thrash it out, but the place where one side turns up and the others run away screaming!

 

[Saggy]

Nothing, because the gas chambers are just one thing they deny. Their goal is it, to make the camps of the final solution look like the camps the US prepared for the Japanese in WW2.
.

Nonsense. Did the CA camps for the Japs have libraries, soccer fields, theaters, orchestras, brothels? Auschwitz, Buchenwald did. Auschwitz had an orchestra and another female only orchestra. Sobibor had a zoo.

The holohoax is pure phantasmagoria, as the facts above amply demonstrate.

 

[Trojan]

Nonsense. Did the CA camps for the Japs have libraries, soccer fields, theaters, orchestras, brothels? Auschwitz, Buchenwald did. Auschwitz had an orchestra and another female only orchestra. Sobibor had a zoo.

The holohoax is pure phantasmagoria, as the facts above amply demonstrate.

Were these luxury items and amenities available to all, or only a select few? Kapos received good treatment, many did not live long enough to even see a barracks. Why do deniers lie? Just like twoofers

 

[truethat]

Nonsense. Did the CA camps for the Japs have libraries, soccer fields, theaters, orchestras, brothels? Auschwitz, Buchenwald did. Auschwitz had an orchestra and another female only orchestra. Sobibor had a zoo.

The holohoax is pure phantasmagoria, as the facts above amply demonstrate.

So your argument is that if you build a camp that has facilities like a "club" no matter what happens there, it was good?

Seriously now?

 

[Cyrix686]

LGR

>>being made to look at mendacious so frequently.

To look at your mendaciousness, I'm not surprised. Nice little slip of the pen there.

I'll check back in eight years and see if everyone has grown to hate him.

 

[little grey rabbit]

LGR

>>being made to look at mendacious so frequently.

To look at your mendaciousness, I'm not surprised. Nice little slip of the pen there.

I'll check back in eight years and see if everyone has grown to hate him.

You registered a handle just to say that? How I have destroyed you.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Far from "doing good work", the Hoaxsters of RODOH have run up the white flag and have gone on strike as a tactical response to being made to look at mendacious so frequently. RODOH is no longer the place where the two sides can meet and thrash it out, but the place where one side turns up and the others run away screaming!

That's funny. I formed exactly the entire opposite opinion. I have read some of your holocaust denial posts on rodoh and understand why you now have to post here. Nick and Roberto are hardly running away if they are posting here and the Skeptic Society's forum. You used to use the name jonitz before Little Grey Rabbit?

 

[Cyrix686]

LGR:

<<You registered a handle just to say that? How I have destroyed you.

Have you?

OK I'll stick around but I think my prediction will be entirely accurate. You are probably well on your way to being despised and loathed now. But then you are a worthless holocaust denier anyway with a jumped up opinion of himself, so that will not worry you in the slightest. You clearly get off on negative attention.

That's much better.

 

[Cyrix686]

Nonsense. Did the CA camps for the Japs have libraries, soccer fields, theaters, orchestras, brothels? Auschwitz, Buchenwald did. Auschwitz had an orchestra and another female only orchestra. Sobibor had a zoo.

The holohoax is pure phantasmagoria, as the facts above amply demonstrate.

Blah blah blah, Gosh how kind the nazis were, all those facilities. A zoo, in which we might quite like to put old saggy and poke him with sticks. All that's being amply demonstrated here in the facts amply demonstrated above though are that holocaust deniers like saggy are close to clinically insane and it is therefore pointless to argue with them as raving repetitive nut jobs will believe this crap until they die.

Your holocaust deniers are remarkably poor quality ones here, Jref.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Nonsense. Did the CA camps for the Japs have libraries, soccer fields, theaters, orchestras, brothels? Auschwitz, Buchenwald did. Auschwitz had an orchestra and another female only orchestra. Sobibor had a zoo.

Oh, well that does totally prove, that there were no gas chambers and these camps were awesome.

Is just go with the answer given by Trojan:

Were these luxury items and amenities available to all, or only a select few? Kapos received good treatment, many did not live long enough to even see a barracks. Why do deniers lie? Just like twoofers

The holohoax is pure phantasmagoria, as the facts above amply demonstrate.

You keep repeating this crap, but you haven't offer any proof and you weren't able to explain any evidence, that was given to you. How pathetic do you have to be to still spit your idiotic nonsense through this forum?

 

[dafydd]

Thanks for the welcome, Mathew. Old RODOH habits die hard, but I will
strive to minimize my use of the term chimp as a reference to those
who deny the Holocaust.

It is very insulting to chimps.

 

[dafydd]

Blah blah blah, Gosh how kind the nazis were, all those facilities. A zoo, in which we might quite like to put old saggy and poke him with sticks. All that's being amply demonstrated here in the facts amply demonstrated above though are that holocaust deniers like saggy are close to clinically insane and it is therefore pointless to argue with them as raving repetitive nut jobs will believe this crap until they die.

Your holocaust deniers are remarkably poor quality ones here, Jref.

All the intelligent ones realized a long time ago that the Holocaust is real. We are left with the detritus.

 

[pooshoodog]

Far from "doing good work", the Hoaxsters of RODOH have run up the white flag and have gone on strike as a tactical response to being made to look at mendacious so frequently.

RODOH is no longer the place where the two sides can meet and thrash it out, but the place where one side turns up and the others run away screaming!

LOL! All posters beware of the RODOH rabbit, an escaped RODOH
mental patient who is hiding out here, hoping to avoid recapture.

The Rabbit used to post under the handle "jnovitz" at CODOH trying
to pass himself off as the NZ novelist Julian Novitz. The real Mr Novitz
registered at RODOH to disavow the rabbit and deemed rabbit's
opus, "appalling ********."

That Rabbit has a long history as an imposter is not really significant.
His logic and opinions fail to impress on their own merits. In this case,
he has pretended to address the issue of the complete lack of eyewitness
verification of AR transit camps while offering (surprise) absolutely no
eyewitness verification.

Edited, breach of rule 10; do not curse in your posts or mask such words in an attempt to avoid the auto-sensor.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[Rincewind]

All the intelligent ones realized a long time ago that the Holocaust is real. We are left with the detritus.

And that's very insulting to Trolls, I hope you realise...