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Scott Jurgenson said:
I just can't understand, with reading almost this entire thread, how some people can ACTUALLY (non trolls) think the Holocaust didn't happen. I mean I really tried to open my mind up and think "outside the box" but god damn, that's flat out impossible with this CT.

What a waste of time :), though fun.
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I am driven by the line from Shakespeare "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." It means I never simply assume a position, I always consider the what ifs or maybe. I did this with the holocaust many many years ago. To this day I have not found a one single element of the narrative that even gives me pause to question the holocaust.
 
Pyrrho the moderator at the Skeptic Society Forum just banned two trolls from the forum. They were not holocaust deniers but just trolls. They were proposing that the British became aware of Treblinka in December 1942 and should have either bombed it or taken photos if it was real.

Ignoring what the British did or did not know I argued that no allied bomber could reach mid Poland in 1942 and 1943. Additionally, if large bomber forces can miss entire cities in western Germany, finding then bombing a rural field in Treblinka in rural Poland was ridiculous. Thirdly, a bomber fleet flying to rural Poland would have to fly over central German air defences to get there. Finally once they got there what would they bomb? The well?

The trolls offered a 1942 PF Mosquito (photo reconnaissance) with a range of 4,010km. Treblinka is 1845KM from the UK coast. Here is my stupid question. Did the British or Americans take any photos from the air of Poland in 1942 or 1943 that anyone is aware of? I've checked the internet and Babington-Smiths book "Evidence in Camera" but nothing mentions Poland being photographed by Brits or the USA in 1942 or 1943.

If I have missed a major point just tell me. It will help me check my own arguments so I don't look silly.
 
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Scott Jurgenson said:
I just can't understand, with reading almost this entire thread, how some people can ACTUALLY (non trolls) think the Holocaust didn't happen. I mean I really tried to open my mind up and think "outside the box" but god damn, that's flat out impossible with this CT.

What a waste of time :), though fun.
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Think inside the box. Have you ever waited in line for an event that goes around the block? Have you ever left after football game of with a crowd of 5 to 10,000 leaving at the same time?

It's not the Holocaust that's being disputed it's the numbers. The numbers of the Holocaust have been exaggerated to fulfill a SIX million prophecy.

The death camp lies were proven to be lies with the leniency for most of those convicted in the "heat of the aftermath" of the war and then released. Mass murderers don't get released.

No death camps means no gassing, vans or chambers.

That in turn means the Germans never did NOT register over 2, 3, 4 million phantom Jewish children, women, and men, so that they could be secretly killed and disposed of by cremation.

Which means the lies, that are obvious to any layman not brainwashed by the onslaught of Holocaust propaganda of books, movies, museums, and the MSM, paid off to the tune of 64 billion dollars in reparations. And of course the US aid to Israel which I guess to have been around FIVE billion a year for the past 60 or so years.

So, Scott Jurgenson, are you among the brainwashed?
 
Matthew Ellard said:
The trolls offered a 1942 PF Mosquito (photo reconnaissance) with a range of 4,010km. Treblinka is 1845KM from the UK coast. Here is my stupid question. Did the British or Americans take any photos from the air of Poland in 1942 or 1943 that anyone is aware of? I've checked the internet and Babington-Smiths book "Evidence in Camera" but nothing mentions Poland being photographed by Brits or the USA in 1942 or 1943.

If I have missed a major point just tell me. It will help me check my own arguments so I don't look silly.
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Auschwitz was accidentally photographed in August 44 by 60th squadron. Elements of 541 and 543 squadron were flying over Poland in Oct 44. P51s were operating Poland from early Jan 45.

There were numerous allied bombing raids into Poland from April 1944 after the fall of Italy made such flights viable. I have a vague memory the novel Catch 22 is set among one of these Italian based squadrons

Here is a little more detail

http://www.air-photo.com/english/bomb4.html
 
Clayton Moore said:
It's not the Holocaust that's being disputed it's the numbers. The numbers of the Holocaust have been exaggerated to fulfill a SIX million prophecy.
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You may wanna check with your fellow deniers. They dont seem to agree with you. Or you could send Tonto back to town for back up
 
Matthew Ellard said:
The trolls offered a 1942 PF Mosquito (photo reconnaissance) with a range of 4,010km. Treblinka is 1845KM from the UK coast.
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I'd simply note that the published range figures for an aircraft don't necessarily mean much since that range number depends on a lot of factors. The more important number would be the aircraft's combat radius.
 
MG1962 said:
You may wanna check with your fellow deniers. They dont seem to agree with you. Or you could send Tonto back to town for back up
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I'm a revisionist. The bottom line is that not even close to 6 million Jewish children, women, and men were killed by Germans. Not even 1/12 of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men died in the concentration camps.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'm a revisionist. The bottom line is that not even close to 6 million Jewish children, women, and men were killed by Germans. Not even 1/12 of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men died in the concentration camps.
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1/12 of six million = 500,000

The Hofle telegram indicates 713,555 were sent to Treblinka on its own before 30Dec42. Justice Łukaszkiewicz found 20,000 square metres of human ash at Treblinka.

Please set out in point form your main arguments that suggest
1) The SS lied in the 1943 Hofle Telegram decrypted by the Brits in 2001 (in a 70 year spanning conspiracy between the SS, Poles and Brits)
2) Polish Judge Łukaszkiewicz confirmed the lie in 1945 (in a conspiracy with the no longer-existing SS and Brits)
3) The last two camp CO's confirmed the lie again in their confessions after the war (in a conspiracy with a Polish Judge and British decryption officers from different decades)
4) Someone planted 20,000 square metres of human ash at Treblinka for forensic examination.
5) Somehow this is a Soviet conspiracy.

Doesn't your position require Poles, Germans, Brits, Russians and members of the SS to conspire during the war and after the war for more than 70 years?

Is this your "working" theory? If not, please elaborate in detail.
 
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Corsair 115 said:
I'd simply note that the published range figures for an aircraft don't necessarily mean much since that range number depends on a lot of factors. The more important number would be the aircraft's combat radius.
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Thank you for that. Sadly, you are relying on logic. I have to now introduce the concept of "combat radius" to the last two remaining holocaust deniers at the Skeptic Society sub-forum. "Logic" is not part of their vocabulary. One of them is about 14years old and doesn't know where Germany is. The other is about 70, started repeating his posts about three months ago and now gets confused with plurals.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Thank you for that. Sadly, you are relying on logic. I have to now introduce the concept of "combat radius" to the last two remaining holocaust deniers at the Skeptic Society sub-forum. "Logic" is not part of their vocabulary. One of them is about 14years old and doesn't know where Germany is. The other is about 70, started repeating his posts about three months ago and now gets confused with plurals.
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Are you describing this forum or another place or all fora inhabited by deniers?
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'm a revisionist. The bottom line is that not even close to 6 million Jewish children, women, and men were killed by Germans. Not even 1/12 of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men died in the concentration camps.
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And you calculate this number ... how?

Don't forget to show your work.
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Matthew Ellard said:
[I have to now introduce the concept of "combat radius" to the last two remaining holocaust deniers at the Skeptic Society sub-forum.
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Well, it's not a difficult concept to explain. That said, given the fingers-in-the-ears listening nature of the resident Holocaust deniers in this thread, getting them to just hear the explanation may be problematic.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'm a revisionist. The bottom line is that not even close to 6 million Jewish children, women, and men were killed by Germans. Not even 1/12 of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men died in the concentration camps.
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Sure I dont care what number you want 500,000 is fine. Still shows the Nazis for the monsters they were and the needless death of a lot people for no other reason than their version of God did not suit some in power
 
MG1962 said:
Sure I dont care what number you want 500,000 is fine. Still shows the Nazis for the monsters they were and the needless death of a lot people for no other reason than their version of God did not suit some in power
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Oh please. Religion had little to do with it. Try a fear of Communism and aristocracy.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Oh please. Religion had little to do with it. Try a fear of Communism and aristocracy.
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Really - so why after destroying the communists, the Catholics they started on the Jews?

How did removing Jewish citizenship rights challenge communism

Why after killing so many Jews, where there still enough communists living in Berlin to affect the battle plans for the attacks on Berlin in 1945?
 
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