Gay Backlash against Mormons

I don't have a problem with the beliefs of the mormons. The can believe what they want. But it disturbs me that prop8 was even allowed on the ballot.

It should be banned to take away rights of a minority with a simple majority vote. The requirement should be at least a 2/3 or 3/4 majority.
 
If gays and mormons were rational, they would be working together to resist the tyranny they both suffer from: government regulation of marriage.


Lonewulf said:
The "Jewish" woman said, paraphrased, "I just want to have the freedom to put prayer into schools (restricting the freedom of the students)... that's all!"
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Tragedy of the commons... Without public schools, this won't be a problem.


OlbarStein said:
It should be banned to take away rights of a minority with a simple majority vote. The requirement should be at least a 2/3 or 3/4 majority.
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Tyranny of pure democracy - any rule can be overturned with a popular vote. Why would a government make most of its people unhappy, it could risk losing power...
 
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OlbarStein said:
I don't have a problem with the beliefs of the mormons. The can believe what they want. But it disturbs me that prop8 was even allowed on the ballot.

It should be banned to take away rights of a minority with a simple majority vote. The requirement should be at least a 2/3 or 3/4 majority.
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So if we can get 3/4 of the voters to okay the Kill Everyone Named Eric Act it would be okay?


Here's an idea. We get a proposition that amends the California Constitution to define marriage as being between a man and a woman that are not Mormon. Wouldn't it be ironic if that passed?
 
Alex Libman said:
Tragedy of the commons... Without public schools, this won't be a problem.
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Nope, but in the private schools I'll run the children will be required to bring in the severed heads of radical libertarians. I'll be free to do this because I'll have a contract for protection with the local private security companies that have replaced the police. Aren't true free markets grand?
 
Maybe the gay community ought to join forces with the Mormons about the unfairness of marriage laws in a more general sense: why is polygamy not legal between consenting adults? It is arbitrarily illegal, apparently. Why is homosexual marriage illegal? it is arbitrarily illegal, apparently.

Fight together. The US fought with the USSR for a common cause. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

All jokes about Mormons climbing into the sack with homosexuals for sessions of whoopee are requested to be held in abeyanace. Thanks in advance.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Maybe the gay community ought to join forces with the Mormons about the unfairness of marriage laws in a more general sense: why is polygamy not legal between consenting adults? It is arbitrarily illegal, apparently. Why is homosexual marriage illegal? it is arbitrarily illegal, apparently.
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This makes no sense on many levels.

First the LDS church does not want to encourage polygamy, they know that it is not a popular position and sticking to such teachings would have prevented them from going mainstream

Second as if someone can marry is the only time that sex enters into marriage laws, or can you actually show a law that treats husbands different from wives? So this is not a significant legal redefinition of what marriage legally is.

But Poly marriage in any form would be a major redefinition of what marriage is and necessitate the changing of the thousands of laws that regulate and define what a marriage really is. There are also many compeating views of what poly marriage would be. Is it a man being married to multiple women as is largely traditional, or are the women considered to be married to each other? Who should be treated as the primary individual in his life, as that is one of the significant purposes of marriage?

Once women started being treated as people and not property it makes polygamous marriage much more complicated.
 
Dr Adequate said:
So basically their argument is: "You're persecuting us by complaining about us persecuting you!"
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Excellent Pith, Dr. A! :D

This kind of attitude, more than anything, shows the blatant narcissism and hypocrisy of many religious believers, such as the LDS Cult - err, Church - on this point.

The Mormons were persecuted against in the early days of their cult - err, religion - for being different. Now that they effectively have an entire state to themselves, they have no problem persecuting other people who are doing nothing to harm them but are different.

Same old crap with a new twist.

Personally, I'd love to see someone propose a ballot initiative in California outlawing Mormonism and dictating that all California-based LDS churches should be burned to the ground. Not that I actually want churches to be burned or anything (I'm really a strong advocate for church-state separation), but it'd be nice to have such an initiative proposed just to prove the point.
 
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