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Gasoline Price Rumor Control

Beady

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Here is the American Automobile Association's Retail Gasoline Price web page. You can look up average prices for all grades of gas and diesel by national average, state and major cities. Some listings give the highest and lowest recorded prices, and the time of the update is listed at the top of each page.

Moderators: Given the current situation, I'd like to suggest this post be made a Sticky.
 
please don't

Given that we are already up to our ears in daily conversations everywhere about the price of gas, I would NOT like to see a sticky at the top of my favorite forum every time I log on telling me how the price is skyrocketing again.

Thank you.
 
Re: please don't

webfusion said:
Given that we are already up to our ears in daily conversations everywhere about the price of gas, I would NOT like to see a sticky at the top of my favorite forum every time I log on telling me how the price is skyrocketing again.

Thank you.

Let me get this straight. At a time when rumors are rife and panic buying is a documented fact, you are protesting the suggestion that JREF, dedicated to decision-making based on evidence, allow a reference source, presumably of interest to most North American members, easier to access?

Because this easier access would offend your personal sensibilities?
 
easier to spread rumors

...[snip] you're protesting... JREF allowing a reference source, presumably of interest to most North American members, easier to access?


No, what I'm protesting is having the JREF make a stickie that, in effect, advertises the AAA, and may or may not have any value in achieving actual "Gasoline Price Rumor Control"

Example: There is a gas price listed on a station in my town, it reads $5.49 (and it does, really) --- So, how does the AAA "national average" have any relevence with my own personal experiences? You pay what is charged, at the stations you choose to pull into and buy from. I cannot print out the chart from AAA website and say :
"This is what I should be paying"


I am at a total loss to see what possible real accomplishment would be achieved by having a stickie thread with the AAA index.


P.S.--- Is there one person in the USA who has not heard of the AAA? Show of hands...
 
Re: easier to spread rumors

webfusion said:
No, what I'm protesting is having the JREF make a stickie that, in effect, advertises the AAA, and may or may not have any value in achieving actual "Gasoline Price Rumor Control"

So, data compiled by the one source that all major and local news media consult for gas price comparisons has no discernable value in controlling rumors about gas prices? Being able to consult a single authoratative source for prices along a route on one of the most heavily-traveled weekends of the year has no value?

Example: There is a gas price listed on a station in my town, it reads $5.49 (and it does, really) --- So, how does the AAA "national average" have any relevence with my own personal experiences?

The fact that you have to pay close to double the national average has no relevance to your pocketbook? Being able to cite an authoiratative source for your information, should you choose to complain to the authorities about possible gouging, has no relevance?

You pay what is charged, at the stations you choose to pull into and buy from. I cannot print out the chart from AAA website and say :
"This is what I should be paying"

So, you have no interest, and see no value, in knowing how your community stacks up against the state and national averages?

I am at a total loss to see what possible real accomplishment would be achieved by having a stickie thread with the AAA index.

Well, that's *your* doubt. Are you seeking to impose your doubts on everyone else?

P.S.--- Is there one person in the USA who has not heard of the AAA? Show of hands...

And let's have another show of hands for all the people who knew about their Retail Gasoline page before I posted the link.
 
Re: Re: please don't

Beady said:
Let me get this straight. At a time when rumors are rife and panic buying is a documented fact, you are protesting the suggestion that JREF, dedicated to decision-making based on evidence, allow a reference source, presumably of interest to most North American members, easier to access?
I, for one, applaud your efforts purely in the public service. While it will provide a useful maypole for us to dance around, its effect on the rumour-mill out there will be negligible.
 
I dispute their self serving lies.

The cheapest I've seen gas today is $3.09 for regular unleaded.
There are no gas lines yet, but visibly fewer cars on the road for a holiday weekend.






I brake for rumors
 
Re: Re: easier to spread rumors

Beady said:

Well, that's *your* doubt. Are you seeking to impose your doubts on everyone else?
(The quote was in response to Webfusion stating "I am at a total loss to see what possible real accomplishment would be achieved by having a stickie thread with the AAA index.")

Well, you could try explaining what it is that you think would be accomplished. Because I don't see what would be accomplished, either.
 
Re: Re: Re: please don't

CapelDodger said:
While it will provide a useful maypole for us to dance around, its effect on the rumour-mill out there will be negligible.

It's a resource. And, while I am no longer a member of Usenet, where such a posting would reach a much larger audience, I am a member *here.* If you can't save the world at large, you should at least make the attempt to improve, however slightly, your own little corner.

I don't doubt that many individuals find the information of interest but of no practical use. However, this is a major motoring holiday in both Canada and the United States, right in the middle of an incredibly sever gasoline price crisis, and it's not inconcievable that many members here *will* find the information useful. Given that the general situation is going to be with us for a while, it's also likely that even the doubters will find it helpful in the very near future.

Especially when we have other members posting such panic-inducing topics as all the gas stations in the US being shut down by Federal order.
 
Mods: Remove this as a sticky. Unless you also agree to have threads about the price of milk and the price of paint made sticky too. All three are equally relevant and useful.
 
Would some kind soul please tell me how many litres there are in a US gallon?

The currency conversion I can do for myself.

Rolfe.
 
1 US gallon = 3.7854118 litres

FYI: Google has a built in conversion calculator. For example if you type in "2 tablespoons in ml" (without quotes) it will give you the equivalent. See here.

eta: I'm a slowpoke :(
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Mods: Remove this as a sticky. Unless you also agree to have threads about the price of milk and the price of paint made sticky too. All three are equally relevant and useful.

I would agree with the utility, perhaps even the relevance. However, this is more a question of immediacy. Darat plans to remove the sticky in several days, by which time prices and demand *should* be on the downturn.
 
Add me to the objectors. The data may be handy, but that's what we have "favourites" folders for.
I think we already have too many stickies. In fact , I think they should all go in a special "Sticky Forum".
 
Beady said:
I would agree with the utility, perhaps even the relevance. However, this is more a question of immediacy. Darat plans to remove the sticky in several days, by which time prices and demand *should* be on the downturn.

Are you referring to milk or paint?
 
Soapy Sam said:
The data may be handy, but that's what we have "favourites" folders for.

You can't put something in a "Favorites" folder until you know about it. How many people knew about this site until I posted it?

I think we already have too many stickies. In fact , I think they should all go in a special "Sticky Forum".

Opinions noted. Actually, I'm wondering if maybe JREF (Jeff) shouldn't maintain a "Links" section, where sites such as this, Snopes, etc, could be permanently listed.

BTW, what is the difference between something being made a sticky, and people objecting so much to its being made a sticky that it stays up near the top, anyway?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
1 gallon [US, liquid] = 3.7854118 liters
Thanks to all who answered.

Well, they're talking about UK petrol prices rising to £1 per litre very shortly - at the moment they're not much below that, at almost 95p per litre.

At the present currency conversion rate of $1.84 to the pound sterling, that makes £1 per litre pretty much smack on $7 per US gallon. Even at the earlier conversion rate (pre-hurricane) of $1.80 to the pound, it's still $6.84 per US gallon.

I realise this is all about taxation, I dread to think how much of that 95p per litre goes straight into the Treasury coffers, but in simple terms of how much I have to fork out to fill up my tank, forgive me if I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy for the plight of the poor Americans just yet.

Rolfe.

PS. If I've got the sums wrong, please feel free to mock and ridicule!
 
Count me among those who don't consider this to be worthy of "sticky" status. A good enough topic, but it can sink or swim on its own merits.

I hear a rumor - I panic. What will I do? Investigate? Maybe try "gas prices" or "fuel prices" in an Internet search engine looking for a source of reliable information? If I were to do so, I might find something really useful, such as
this nice page at fueleconomy.gov. Why, that could quickly get me to reports (including date, time, and location) of recent lowest (and highest) gas prices in my area!

No, I wouldn't do that - I'd just continue to panic. While panicking, I might just happen to visit the JREF forum. No solace for me there, unless I were to happen to stumble into the "Politics, Current Events, and Social Issues" forum. If I were to go there, I'd see a sticky telling me where I could go to get information to dispel just that sort of unfounded rumor. What luck!

I just don't see that scenario playing out. Those who are sufferering from rumors because they lack such information aren't likely to come here. Those who come here can find that sort of information on their own - it just isn't that difficult to find.

We could use stickies in an effort to make the visitors of the forum aware of all sorts of potentially useful information - some of which could quite literally save lives. I don't think most people come here, though, to see stickies about diet, exercise, health care, wearing bicycle helmets, keeping automobile tires properly inflated, driving defensively, driving for better fuel efficiency, etc. It's just not, IMHO, the purpose of the forum.
 

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