gangstalking from a paranoid schizophrenics view

[MinnesotaBrant]

I recently became aware of the term gangstalking and after reading some of it I thought that people were copying the comments I have been making on the internet since 2007 or so. The problem with that is these groups started in 2006 and the first gangstalking posts started about 2003. Let me go though the claims and I admit I have experienced some of these things before I got my diagnosis.

Helicoptors shadowing you. In high school during the Reagan years I did indeed have this happen fairly regularly sometimes so low that I could feel the wind from their propellers. They also sprayed some substances from planes fairly regularly. I attributed this to presence of drug users in the area. As you recall Reagan was pretty paranoid about drugs. I was also getting a socialist paper in high school

sign language. I used to see this in the 90's. People talking to themselves with sign language

The coughing thing they are talking about is something I noticed when I was more psychotic. Just before I went into the hospital back in 2008, I called a number and heard a bunch of coughing, then it said it says here on my screen that you are some kind of pervert.

The flagging thing thing I have seen but only in my own mind I guess. Mainly when I called the police because my wife was having issues the police indicated that I might have something to hide. When psychotic I have felt that people have gone in and cleared out offices and replaced them with actors etc.

What I am getting at is these things are real to me in the sense that I have reported them before. I wonder if someone is using gangstalking to identify people who can controlled through fear etc. I will say that I have been unable to post on the gangstalking sites and it took a few days before I was approved to post here which made me suspicous on your end. Of course there is more but this post is really getting too long anyways

 

[uk_dave]

..... but this post is really getting too long anyways

Good thinking. Don't want them able to trace it.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Let me get this straight: MNBrant, are you saying that you have a current diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia? If so, are you taking medication for it, and does that medication affect the level of your perception of these issues?

Dave

 

[calebprime]

Let's not pile on. No reason yet to think the OP isn't sincere.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

yes I take 4mgs trilifon. I am not too sure what you mean by tracing. I personally feel like I am a controller and thus really dont care if I am tracked. But like you I am a sceptic in my own way. I like to see the evidence. I also have nothing to hide in case you were thinking that.

I am med resistant meaning that I am resistant to most meds. For instance benzos dont make me sleepy, calm, or anything, all I get is negative sypmtoms like shortness of breath, restlessness etc. Haldol has no effect on me to the point where it doesnt even make me drowsy. My psychosis is stress related. The more stress I am under the greater the chances of having an episode. It really doesnt matter what meds I am on or how much. I am taking a very minimum amount of meds and have done so for the past year. I see you read the title but really I am wondering about the phenomona of gangstalking groups. I have been unable to get into one desite meeting the critera of being paranoid schizophrenic.

Heh cocaine doesnt work either. It could probably kill me but I wouldn't get high. About the only thing that works on me is weed so all you ganstalkers out there, you need to figure out a way to ply me with lots of weed if you want to incapacitate me heh. Problem is I don't smoke weed.

 

[Walter Ego]

I looked into the phenomena of gangstalking a few years ago. While it is a psychological phenomena, a person who believes they are being gangstalked is not necessarily psychotic or a paranoid schizophrenic.

This web page defines it very well. Lynn Stuter, the author, is sympathetic to the "victims" of gangstalking and assumes it's a real phenomena.

For several days in a row, when doing errands in your car, you consistently come in contact with drivers who tailgate you, cut you off in traffic, or maybe pull out in front of you unexpectedly. Or you go out to get your mail and see someone sitting on a bicycle watching you from a distance. Or maybe you notice a sudden increase in strange cars driving slowly pasd your home. Or you get the feeling you are being followed but don’t see anyone there. Or you find garbage strewn on your lawn or piles of dirt where dirt shouldn’t be. Or you return to your home and notice that pictures or knick knacks aren’t where they were when you left.

Is this all just coincidental or is there something more to it? You might even wonder if you just have an over-active imagination or if maybe you’ve slipped a few cogs upstairs.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

The problem with the claims I am reading is how do these people know they are actually being gangstalked in reality. For instance I felt that people were spreading rumours about me back in 93 and in fact I was fired but I had no evidence of people actually spreading rumours. I was recently fired from my job and I felt I was workplace mobbed. I remember correcting one coworker and hear him mutter your the one who supposed to be crazy. I have heard costs of these activities and they run into the millions and involve hundreds of people but that is only heard in my head. It would be odd that a activity that is supposedly this prevalent wouldnt have anybody that talked. I suppose it could involve drugs and suggestibility or even some kind of electronic device causing psychosis. I have heard in my head that they have some kind of device that causes the subject to feel guilt but that they don't actually know what the person is thinking. I suppose they just wait for the person to go to the police and confess. Once again this is all conjecture from things I hear in my head.

The main concern I have is not my psychosis but what these groups are being used for. It is funny that I cannot get into them despite being diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic. That does seem to be what they are looking for.

It could be that they are not interested in me because I have a touch of maschochistic tendancies and thus do not react properly to adversive stimuli. It tends to encourge meh.

I will say that the white dust from my pill bottle appeared to have been cleaned out when I got back from the psych ward but hey I was really nuts then so I might have imagined it.

 

[LightinDarkness]

OP the "gang stalking" phenomena is simply what happens when those with mental illness get internet access. They begin posting their fantasies online and begin collaborating with each other to create an entire self-reinforcing mythology. Think about the amount of money it would take to gangstalk even 1% of the people that claim they are victims - we'd already be spending hundreds of billions to do things like "clear out entire offices and replace them with actors." And for what? Thats what gangstalking believers don't seem to understand - what is the point of all this? If there a massive conspiracy against you, why not just kill you or use the dark cabal to get you locked up for life instead of engaging in these elaborate multi-billion dollar schemes?

 

[LightinDarkness]

The problem with the claims I am reading is how do these people know they are actually being gangstalked in reality. For instance I felt that people were spreading rumours about me back in 93 and in fact I was fired but I had no evidence of people actually spreading rumours. I was recently fired from my job and I felt I was workplace mobbed. I remember correcting one coworker and hear him mutter your the one who supposed to be crazy. I have heard costs of these activities and they run into the millions and involve hundreds of people but that is only heard in my head. It would be odd that a activity that is supposedly this prevalent wouldnt have anybody that talked. I suppose it could involve drugs and suggestibility or even some kind of electronic device causing psychosis. I have heard in my head that they have some kind of device that causes the subject to feel guilt but that they don't actually know what the person is thinking. I suppose they just wait for the person to go to the police and confess. Once again this is all conjecture from things I hear in my head.

The main concern I have is not my psychosis but what these groups are being used for. It is funny that I cannot get into them despite being diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic. That does seem to be what they are looking for.

It could be that they are not interested in me because I have a touch of maschochistic tendancies and thus do not react properly to adversive stimuli. It tends to encourge meh.

I will say that the white dust from my pill bottle appeared to have been cleaned out when I got back from the psych ward but hey I was really nuts then so I might have imagined it.

Carefully consider the evidence you've cited here:

(1) Depending on the state you could be fired for just about anything, including no reason at all. There need not be gang stalkers spreading rumors about you to fire you.
(2) If you think you've been "workplace mobbed" because you heard someone mutter "your supposed to be the crazy one" then it sounds like mental illness discrimination, not gang stalking. It doesn't take gang stalkers to discriminate against the mentally ill. That doesn't make what they did right, but it does mean they weren't part of a conspiracy against you.
(3) Why do you think "what you've heard in your head" would be a reliable source of information on gang stalking instead of the symptoms of a mental illness?
(4) You cannot get "into these groups" because they do not exist.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Hmm I do see they have pedo lists out there that aren't public knowledge and that people with offenses other than sex crimes find their names in them but most of them have been cleaned up. I dont find my name on any of these lists but who knows what other lists are out there? As far as I recall I haven't ever been arrested for a crime but have associated with a few shady characters in my life. I would be interested in meeting someone with access to law enforcement lists especially someone with access to sealed or closed lists. I am wondering if my name is on there. I do know that assiociating with a known gang member puts you on a list in my state for about 10 years and I associated with one for a couple weeks

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Once again I am not interested in turning this into a discussion of my mental illness.

The main interest I have in police lists is that one of my alleged stalkers was a police cadet with members of his family who served in the police. I will also say that my friend, who has a son in the CIA, told me that his son stopped talking to him after he was involved in a fatal car accident that was his fault. There are obviously lists but how pervasive they are is not yet known to me.

 

[sadhatter]

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Hmm I do see they have pedo lists out there that aren't public knowledge and that people with offenses other than sex crimes find their names in them but most of them have been cleaned up. I dont find my name on any of these lists but who knows what other lists are out there? As far as I recall I haven't ever been arrested for a crime but have associated with a few shady characters in my life. I would be interested in meeting someone with access to law enforcement lists especially someone with access to sealed or closed lists. I am wondering if my name is on there. I do know that assiociating with a known gang member puts you on a list in my state for about 10 years and I associated with one for a couple weeks

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Once again I am not interested in turning this into a discussion of my mental illness.

The main interest I have in police lists is that one of my alleged stalkers was a police cadet with members of his family who served in the police. I will also say that my friend, who has a son in the CIA, told me that his son stopped talking to him after he was involved in a fatal car accident that was his fault. There are obviously lists but how pervasive they are is not yet known to me.

The problem is when your issue is schizophrenia and the phenomenon in discussion is one that would indicate one is schizophrenic you cannot , not mention your mental condition it is a key piece of evidence as to why this would seem legitimate to you.

It would be like if i were to claim that the government is slipping drugs into the water supply that makes people tear out their own hair, in order to make these people less attractive, so they do not breed. But then completely disregard that there is a real disorder in which people are compelled to pull out their own hair. You cannot simply ignore a massive piece of evidence because it would make your story make more sense.

 

[Sledge]

Yes, most people who've been in fatal car accidents stop talking to everyone.

 

[Ladewig]

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Why would the number of monthly hits (which may not even be from distinct users - it could be 100 people who access the website a 710 times each month) be any evidence of the truthfulness or accuracy of a website? I can find moon-landing denial sites that have all sorts of hits but that doesn't give any credibility to the claim that we didn't go to the moon.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Yes, most people who've been in fatal car accidents stop talking to everyone.

I like how you said most people. _Grammer nazi with a gun avatar. (Sounds kinda repulsive you know). Yes, some people, involved in fatal accidents, do not survive. However, this person, having hit someone else, survived, and was not injured. It was not funny plus it was off topic. Do not try to out troll me as this is impossible as I probably invented trolling. I say probably, as I have no evidence to confirm this.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Why would the number of monthly hits (which may not even be from distinct users - it could be 100 people who access the website a 710 times each month) be any evidence of the truthfulness or accuracy of a website? I can find moon-landing denial sites that have all sorts of hits but that doesn't give any credibility to the claim that we didn't go to the moon.

Ah no, they have gangwatcher meetings scheduled on their websites. I am not too sure what that has to do with the moon. Wow thats really off topic. I seem to be bringing in the fringe trolls. I really don't know the size of the membership list since the groups seem to be secretive as well as the people running them. I am wondering if it is some cult looking for suggestible people. The movie the Manchurian Candidate seems to be referenced alot. Maybe they are looking for people who fit the profile.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

The problem is when your issue is schizophrenia and the phenomenon in discussion is one that would indicate one is schizophrenic you cannot , not mention your mental condition it is a key piece of evidence as to why this would seem legitimate to you.

It would be like if i were to claim that the government is slipping drugs into the water supply that makes people tear out their own hair, in order to make these people less attractive, so they do not breed. But then completely disregard that there is a real disorder in which people are compelled to pull out their own hair. You cannot simply ignore a massive piece of evidence because it would make your story make more sense.

Huh, that sounds like trolling once again. I didn't mention hair pulling or drugs. I do not have a story to tell. I am looking for information. I do not take drugs except for trilifon or metformin. Attacking my credibility is merely an ad hominem attack. I am fishing for facts not looking for trolls with who attack me personally.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Look if you want to refute my claims do so with facts not with ad hominem attacks. Your name is not Socrates. heh

wow did all the trolls find me with the telepathy tag? There seems to be a pattern. Either that or you three comment on everything that goes through here. hah

 

[Sledge]

Ok, so it's pretty clear how this will work. Anyone and anything not supporting the claim that a mysterious organisation dedicated to mildly inconveniencing the mentally ill exists is trolling. Do I have that right?

 

[Horatius]

Ah no, they have gangwatcher meetings scheduled on their websites. I am not too sure what that has to do with the moon. Wow thats really off topic. I seem to be bringing in the fringe trolls. I really don't know the size of the membership list since the groups seem to be secretive as well as the people running them. I am wondering if it is some cult looking for suggestible people. The movie the Manchurian Candidate seems to be referenced alot. Maybe they are looking for people who fit the profile.

There's really nothing surprising about this. There are a lot of people in the world with schizophrenia, and by its nature, it is a condition that causes people to tend to resist treatment.


http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm

The Prevalance Rate for schizophrenia is approximately 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 (source: NIMH) or, in other words, at any one time as many as 51 million people worldwide suffer from schizophrenia, including;

* 6 to 12 million people in China (a rough estimate based on the population)
* 4.3 to 8.7 million people in India (a rough estimate based on the population)
* 2.2 million people in USA
* 285,000 people in Australia
* Over 280,000 people in Canada
* Over 250,000 diagnosed cases in Britain

If even 10% of the US population with schizophrenia decide to look online for others who have "experienced the same thing", they'll find over 200,000 people. Even if it's only 1%, that's still 20,000 people.

This forum, the JREF forum, has 2,972 active members, according to the numbers at the bottom of this page:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumindex.php


and it produces enough traffic that it's basically impossible to keep up with it all.

It really doesn't take that many people to produce a community with lots of activity. Given that this is a very common mental condition, and internet forums aren't that hard to set up, the existence of such forums really aren't evidence for any real phenomenon.

 

[carlitos]

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Hi MNBrant and welcome to the forum.

There won't be any evidence supplied for gangstalking here, because there simply is no such thing. It's a phenomenon that only exists in people's heads. I re-read your opening post and I thought that maybe you understood this, but now you seem to be looking for lists. There are no lists because there are no stalkers.

Does the above make sense?

Respectfully, may I ask why you tagged this with telepathy and "psion?" Thanks.