Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You can't pile on Gage for trying to hold on to his new job / income. The alternative is for him to get a job... like the supposed very high paying one he left behind.. not travel all over the country and the world... not get interviewed and so on. THIS IS his chosen work and he needs to find ways to exploit the market. He's an entrepreneur. And he's done pretty well for himself and most of the others get little compensation... aside from book sales revenues.

There are so many better causes to devote one's time to... including peace, election reform... and the list goes on and on...

I am not teaching him chainsaw sculpture or, heavy equipment operation, it's clear his days as a little known no nothing, architect are over!

 

[Tony Szamboti]

This discussion is insane. First Tony needs to be prepared to walk back some of his statements. He's not.

Second there is nothing wrong with a new or further investigation analysis. In fact some of this has been done by independent people for years. And by independent I mean not sponsored or associated with the USG or any official "professional" group. I don't that one of them provided any support to CD.

The complexity of the collapses makes it difficult to model them... But to undertake an "objective" investigation with the aim of proving there were placed devices to demolish the buildings is more than irony... it's intellectually dishonest and a sham.

I think this new investigation has an agenda... and it is flawed from the get go. But let's see what they publish.

No one disputes that explosives etc. CAN undermine a structure... but there has been no affirmative evidence to support this. It's all projection and confirmation bias which sees things which aren't there... or refuses to see things which are.

And the most cynical has been the economic exploitation of the naive public who has bought into a shoddy case of smoke and mirrors and mostly junk science. There are people, such as Tony who is too smart to know that something is terribly wrong with the truther arguments, I think it's hubris or ego which drives their denial. It's damn hard for these loudmouths to recant their nonsense... admit they made mistakes. Much much easier to carry on their show sowing doubt and using smoke and mirrors than show the courage to admit they were wrong.

There is plenty of evidence for explosives and the denial of it by posters on this forum, including you, is puzzling. Additional analysis can be done independently to show further government analysis needs to be done, but law enforcement needs to do a criminal investigation. Private citizens do not have subpoena power and that is needed here.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Money in Gages and Tony's pocket, Tony probably builds Gages piggy banks, considering his record here that's the only structure he should be allowed to engineer.

I have never made a dime from speaking out about the problems with the explanations for the building collapses in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001. You are bordering on libel with this comment and the moderators should do something about it.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I have never made a dime from speaking out about the problems with the explanations for the building collapses in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001. You are bordering on libel with that.

Who pays your travel expenses, and motel room cost, and for your experimental evidence?

Have you ever gained work from being a member of the truth movement?

Has Gage ever bought you lunch or a cup of coffee?

Remember you said a dime, any expenses paid by Gage seeing his only income is 9/11 truth, would be earnings from the movement!

Truth is truth deal with it and move on Tony!

 

[DGM]

There is plenty of evidence for explosives and the denial of it by posters on this forum, including you, is puzzling. Additional analysis can be done independently to show further government analysis needs to be done, but law enforcement needs to do a criminal investigation. Private citizens do not have subpoena power and that is needed here.

So present your evidence to the local DA and get it started. Surly you have enough evidence for that.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

There is plenty of evidence for explosives and the denial of it by posters on this forum, including you, is puzzling. Additional analysis can be done independently to show further government analysis needs to be done, but law enforcement needs to do a criminal investigation. Private citizens do not have subpoena power and that is needed here.

Explosions fuel air blasts on that I agree with you but none for actual nitrate, or thermite explosive compounds, that's Fraudulent Tony!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Dave, even though you have taken the time to write the above bombastic nonsense, in which you ridiculously twist my words, you still haven't answered my simple question to you about what would have weakened the lower structure to the point where it could not withstand the static load above it.

Nor will I, because you know the answer.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Does your endorsement of the video here mean that you agree with Chandler's Law of Consumption of Momentum?

Tony's endorsement of it means that he's either a liar or incompetent. He's said that the collapse would have become self-sustaining after some number of floors had been consumed, the exact opposite of Chandler's nonsensical assertion that all progressive collapses are self-arresting. But Tony can't disagree with any nonsense so long as it comes from a fellow truther.

Dave

 

[WilliamSeger]

Tony's endorsement of it means that he's either a liar or incompetent. He's said that the collapse would have become self-sustaining after some number of floors had been consumed, the exact opposite of Chandler's nonsensical assertion that all progressive collapses are self-arresting. But Tony can't disagree with any nonsense so long as it comes from a fellow truther.

Dave

Dang, you spoiled my punch line.

 

[Spanx]

I have never made a dime from speaking out about the problems with the explanations for the building collapses in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001.

At least this explains why AE911truth keep you onboard.

Do you have any idea where all the fundraising money goes ? Obviously it doesn't go into research as none has been done yet.

What about ziggi and his little fundraiser ? Aren't you even curious where the money went ? Or is it just a case of, if truthers are dumb enough to donate they deserve to be ripped off.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

At least this explains why AE911truth keep you onboard.

Do you have any idea where all the fundraising money goes ? Obviously it doesn't go into research as none has been done yet.

What about ziggi and his little fundraiser ? Aren't you even curious where the money went ? Or is it just a case of, if truthers are dumb enough to donate they deserve to be ripped off.

I have no problem with Gage ripping off the stupid the less money they have the less partying
and breeding they will do, that gives me hope eventually we will breed stupid out of the human
Specie's.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

As much as the criticism over his beliefs is justified I don't like reciprocating accusations for which we have no definitive proof of. It's no better than his declaration that anyone disagreeing with the "CD" theory is a paid shill with ties to covering up for the perpetrators. I have no inclination to let my criticism of that go unsaid... His beliefs speak for themselves without the unnecessary goading.

 

[JSanderO]

Keep these discussions to the 9/11 incident and leave the personalities out of it. Gage set up an advocacy organization and it's an easy target. But really his claims are what should be the substance of the discussion.

The problem seems to be there is no stipulation to some basic facts or some basic science.

 

[DGM]

But really his claims are what should be the substance of the discussion.

At this point there really is no substance left. Tony and Co. keep coming here because in their world, getting someone to argue against you lends credibility to the argument.

The fact they are universally ignored outside of the internet (besides a few staged shows) speaks volumes.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Keep these discussions to the 9/11 incident and leave the personalities out of it. Gage set up an advocacy organization and it's an easy target. But really his claims are what should be the substance of the discussion.

The problem seems to be there is no stipulation to some basic facts or some basic science.

The problem is JSO that open intellectual dishonesty, and down right fraud are all that Truth movement claims amount to these days.
There is no scientific or engineering basis to them, I would like to have a place where the science of 9/11 are discussed among knowledgeable people, with out the conspiracy garbage, but this site is the only one left.

 

[tsig]

I have never made a dime from speaking out about the problems with the explanations for the building collapses in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001. You are bordering on libel with this comment and the moderators should do something about it.

Missionaries never make any money.


Gage sounds awfully cheap.

 

[tsig]

For anyone who cares, David Chandler did an excellent expose' of the issue with the lack of deceleration in a five minute video seen at the link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiHeCjZlkr8

This is a severe problem for those who continue to deny that there were charges in the buildings and it seems they will do anything to disabuse others of this notion and try to discredit things like the lack of deceleration that shows there had to be charges involved. What is perplexing is why anyone would have an objection to an investigation to identify the terrorists who planted charges in the buildings. Are they just stupid or is there a more insidious reason for their intransigence concerning the need for more investigation?

I have never made a dime from speaking out about the problems with the explanations for the building collapses in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001. You are bordering on libel with this comment and the moderators should do something about it.

Glass houses, Tony.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Tony's endorsement of it means that he's either a liar or incompetent. He's said that the collapse would have become self-sustaining after some number of floors had been consumed, the exact opposite of Chandler's nonsensical assertion that all progressive collapses are self-arresting. But Tony can't disagree with any nonsense so long as it comes from a fellow truther.

Dave

Dave, as you must know I was talking about the missing deceleration part in the beginning of the video.

It isn't surprising that you would try to find a way to drive a wedge because that is all you have. Your take on the collapse of the buildings (that they were a result of natural circumstances) is defunct and everybody knows it. Your behavior is obvious and ugly.

While I do think that after about 20 stories of rubble accumulated that the collapse would self-propagate, and have said so publicly, there is still a serious problem getting to that point without charges and the lack of deceleration early on in the collapse is evidence that there were charges in the building to help bring it down.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Nor will I, because you know the answer.

Dave

The answer that you won't give is that the perimeter columns were severed at their corners by charges and core columns were removed for a significant number of stories to start the collapse and get it going. There is no other way to cause the lower section to have its resistance reduced enough so that it couldn't support the static load except for a serious jolt, and we know that did not happen.

The only choice you have left is charges and it is clear you can't go there in front of people.

 

[GlennB]

While I do think that after about 20 stories of rubble accumulated that the collapse would self-propagate, and have said so publicly, there is still a serious problem getting to that point without charges ...

And yet the Ronan Point high-rise self-propagated with far less falling mass, relatively speaking. How come?