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Gaddafi's useful idiots.

Gazpacho said:
There was a reported request for defense against massacres of unarmed civilians. NATO has broadened this, as everyone should have expected, into support for armed rebellion, and obstructing several attempts at political settlements (not just from Tripoli), and guiding the outcome of the conflict towards European/American interests.
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Which is hardly surprising and was obvious from the start.
That said, Libya needs a resolution, not a protracted stalemate.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Which is hardly surprising and was obvious from the start.
That said, Libya needs a resolution, not a protracted stalemate.
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A protracted stalemate could have been used to partition Libya into Tripolitania/Fezzan and Cyrenaica. Libya is an artificial construct, so a partition makes some sense.

On the other hand, it's generally a bad idea to start a war based on lies. Better be honest about it.
 
Hey Gaz, who do you want to win; the Gaddafi regime or the rebels?
 
oh oh me me!

I want the bad guys to win because I am so morally corrupted!
 
Virus said:
Hey Gaz, who do you want to win; the Gaddafi regime or the rebels?
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As I recall, the US was cheering for Iraq and Saddam Hussein when they went to war with Iran. We even gave them weapons. Turns out, not everybody who fights your enemy is necessarily your friend. Go figure.
 
Tricky said:
Turns out, not everybody who fights your enemy is necessarily your friend. Go figure.
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That's true. But you're more likely to find friends among those that fight your enemies than among those who share the bed with them.

McHrozni
 
Tricky said:
As I recall, the US was cheering for Iraq and Saddam Hussein when they went to war with Iran. We even gave them weapons. Turns out, not everybody who fights your enemy is necessarily your friend. Go figure.
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Yeah and the US allied with Stalin, the world's worst mass-murderer at the time, to oppose Hitler.

Newsflash: Sometimes states play other states off against each other. A tactic that goes back since forever.
 
Removing a fascist regime wanted for crimes against humanity.
 
After supporting other evil regimes for our own good and using Libya while it was useful for us.

Again, what moral high ground do we have?
 
McHrozni said:
That's true. But you're more likely to find friends among those that fight your enemies than among those who share the bed with them.

McHrozni
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That must be why it's okay to kill Gadaffi's children and grandchildren, then.

theprestige said:
Moral reason, or moral high ground? Make up your mind.
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I wonder if your own mind could be the problem here rather than Johny2x4's!
 
JihadJane said:
That must be why it's okay to kill Gadaffi's children and grandchildren, then.
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They were aiming for Gaddafi. Not our fault he's using his family as human shields. Instead of murdering protesters, he shouldn't have murdered protesters.
 
Gazpacho said:
If you want to talk about military might, sure, NATO has it. I was responding to a question of moral justification. The Freedom House country reports for the US and Australia are not spotless, and these countries could be proposed as bombing candidates for several reasons:

- world-record incarceration rates (and post-release hardships)
- racial disparities in incarceration
- dispossession and grinding poverty among native people
- restrictions on labor organizing
- ongoing raids against left-wing activists
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If moral spotlessness were a requirement for a just war, the South in the USA would still be selling slaves because the North, too, had "racial disparities"; and the Nazis would still be ruling Europe because the USA and the UK, too, had "restrictions on labor organizations".

But there is simply no comparing the imperfections of the free democracies to the Libyan open-air insane asylum-cum-jail-cum-torture chamber Quadaffi made it.
 
RE: Gazpacho:

:wwt, are you SERIOUSLY comparing the faults (Issues with the Criminal Justice System frex) of the US to the Charnel house that is Libya?

And I don't recall prisoners being slaughtered en masse in the US for the lulz the way Gadaffi did in Libya.
 
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