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Gable Tostee

But why was he legally entitled to put her out on his balcony? Is it now legal for me to lock someone on my balcony that I invite into my place and refuse to let them go?

The judge was incompetent in his instructions and the prosecutors should have gone for manslaughter and unlawful detention so the simple hick jury would have had an easier time.
The judge was specific, Tostee was entitled to manhandle a disorderly person from his premises.
Then he answered a jury question, and he made brand new law, an apartment balcony constitutes a place other than the owner's premises.
However, he was simply employing the reasonable man test. Does the reasonable man regard a high walled balcony as being an other place.

That judge is doing precisely what Masipa did in Pistorus, applying common sense, what did the man in fraught position with woman aboard do in the BEST INTERESTS OF ALL PARTIES?
Errors actually occurred.

There but the grace of god go all of us.

Please consider all of this.
I think Pistorius and Tostee are strangely parallel cases, where neither man in any way planned death of a beautiful woman.
I am certain of that.
 
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But why was he legally entitled to put her out on his balcony?
Wrong thats not how it happened.
1. They were scuffling inside the living room area, close to the sliding door.
2. He let her go in anticipation of her leaving by the front door
3. She refused and the struggle moved outside to the balcony.
4. He failed to bundle her up so left the balcony, to separate themselves.
5. His explanation was that he hoped for her to calm down from all the screaming, so that he could then ask her again to leave. (for the 3 rd time)
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I hope this is all finally clear to everyone.

Is it now legal for me to lock someone on my balcony that I invite into my place and refuse to let them go?
See above, your interpretation is wrong, no one was imprisoned. She was told to leave and refused. Her request to leave was interpreted as fake, as she had agreed previously, but then acted contrary. He didn't trust her, so wanted her contained to the balcony where she hopefully would calm down, before he let her walk through his apartment again, hopefully out the front door.
The judge was incompetent in his instructions and the prosecutors should have gone for manslaughter and unlawful detention so the simple hick jury would have had an easier time.
you are totally wrong. The judge was very competent, it is the recalcitrant jurors who refused to acquit on Monday that are incompetent. Dont call a judge incompetent when you dont even know a thing about their work. They are very intelligent and competent people.

I cant believe you are all still discussing this "out on the balcony" point point a page later. I explained it in Post #781 and #794. What cant you understand? I thought it was clear?
 
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The judge was specific, Tostee was entitled to manhandle a disorderly person from his premises.
Then he answered a jury question, and he made brand new law, an apartment balcony constitutes a place other than the owner's premises.
However, he was simply employing the reasonable man test. Does the reasonable man regard a high walled balcony as being an other place.

That judge is doing precisely what Masipa did in Pistorus, applying common sense, what did the man in fraught position with woman aboard do in the BEST INTERESTS OF ALL PARTIES?
Errors actually occurred.

There but the grace of god go all of us.

Please consider all of this.
I think Pistorius and Tostee are strangely parallel cases, where neither man in any way planned death of a beautiful woman.
I am certain of that.

You're comparing it to Pistorius?

WTF
 
You're comparing it to Pistorius?

WTF

Of course he is. It seems violent, impulsive men whose acts kill young defenceless women can do no wrong in his view.

Pistorius will rot in jail for many years. In my view, it's only a matter of time for Tosree to suffer a similar fate. At least he will never get a decent job again.
 
Of course he is. It seems violent, impulsive men whose acts kill young defenceless women can do no wrong in his view.

Pistorius will rot in jail for many years. In my view, it's only a matter of time for Tosree to suffer a similar fate. At least he will never get a decent job again.
What violent act did he do to the woman hitting him and throwing stuff at him in a violent rage?
 
Wrong thats not how it happened.
1. They were scuffling inside the living room area, close to the sliding door.
2. He let her go in anticipation of her leaving by the front door
3. She refused and the struggle moved outside to the balcony.
4. He failed to bundle her up so left the balcony, to separate themselves.
5. His explanation was that he hoped for her to calm down from all the screaming, so that he could then ask her again to leave. (for the 3 rd time)
( Google "I figured that being a long term member here I would post it" site:.bodybuilding.com )

I hope this is all finally clear to everyone.

See above, your interpretation is wrong, no one was imprisoned. She was told to leave and refused. Her request to leave was interpreted as fake, as she had agreed previously, but then acted contrary. He didn't trust her, so wanted her contained to the balcony where she hopefully would calm down, before he let her walk through his apartment again, hopefully out the front door.
you are totally wrong. The judge was very competent, it is the recalcitrant jurors who refused to acquit on Monday that are incompetent. Dont call a judge incompetent when you dont even know a thing about their work. They are very intelligent and competent people.
I cant believe you are all still discussing this "out on the balcony" point point a page later. I explained it in Post #781 and #794. What cant you understand? I thought it was clear?
Heh, slow down. Trial judges usually look okay, but once they are promoted, and get to write up denied appeals they become masters in the craft of pure fiction.
In New Zealand I invite you to read appeals denied to Walter Bolton, Arthur Thomas, David Tamihere, Teina Pora, David Bain, possibly Scott Watson, and Mark Lundy . All of those bar possibly Watson are completely innocent, yet have a combined total of 11 fictional narratives by appeal court judges of crimes perpetrated by others. I'm not sure how badly Australian appeal courts behave, but they sure massacred Lindy Chamberlain.

If Gable Tostee had been convicted of any crime I suspect he would be wasting time appealing.
 
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Of course he is. It seems violent, impulsive men whose acts kill young defenceless women can do no wrong in his view.

Pistorius will rot in jail for many years. In my view, it's only a matter of time for Tosree to suffer a similar fate. At least he will never get a decent job again.
LK I argue the cases with appropriate research, I have nil in common with Pistorius or Tostee in my thoughts about women self defence or guns. I lead a quiet life.
 
LK I argue the cases with appropriate research, I have nil in common with Pistorius or Tostee in my thoughts about women self defence or guns. I lead a quiet life.

Your research is amateur rubbish, but you know that.
 
What violent act did he do to the woman hitting him and throwing stuff at him in a violent rage?

We have been through this before. He could have thrown her out the front door and called the police. Did you not notice the respective size and strength of the two? Come off it. A small, drunk woman? He caused her death whether this jury decided otherwise or not. We haven't heard the end of this. There will be a coroners inquest. Followed by a civil suit. Tostee may yet be bankrupted. His **** flat will be forfeited.

Of course Tostee fanboys will say the coroner will simply rubber stamp the court decision. There have been many cases where the coroner has taken a contrary view. This is simply wishful thinking by the fanboys.
 
We have been through this before. He could have thrown her out the front door and called the police. Did you not notice the respective size and strength of the two? Come off it. A small, drunk woman? He caused her death whether this jury decided otherwise or not. We haven't heard the end of this. There will be a coroners inquest. Followed by a civil suit. Tostee may yet be bankrupted. His **** flat will be forfeited.

Of course Tostee fanboys will say the coroner will simply rubber stamp the court decision. There have been many cases where the coroner has taken a contrary view. This is simply wishful thinking by the fanboys.

Again with the assumptions.

Couldn't the "fanboys" simple have come to the conclusion that the Crown could not establish intent.
 
Your research is amateur rubbish, but you know that.
Trust the pros and end up with the wrong answer. It happens a lot. The most dangerous people are appeal court judges. The proof is in denied appeals of later exonerated men and women. There is hard proof staring you in the face, think Lindy Chamberlain.
My research is reading until the answer looks right. Of course this case was interpretation, no mystery involved.
 
Trust the pros and end up with the wrong answer. It happens a lot. The most dangerous people are appeal court judges. The proof is in denied appeals of later exonerated men and women. There is hard proof staring you in the face, think Lindy Chamberlain.
My research is reading until the answer looks right. Of course this case was interpretation, no mystery involved.

This word has a different meaning to what you are doing.
 
You fail to see how some people know he didn't commit murder or manslaughter but still think he is a complete prick.

How that makes me his "fanboy" in your eyes eludes me

I didn't say you were.

I often see new people arrive on this forum burning with zeal, often pretending to be people they aren't, on a mission to correct wrong thinkers. They post in one thread only and disappear, smugly thinking they have proven their point. They are fanboys.
 
I didn't say you were.

I often see new people arrive on this forum burning with zeal, often pretending to be people they aren't, on a mission to correct wrong thinkers. They post in one thread only and disappear, smugly thinking they have proven their point. They are fanboys.
Ahh

Didn't notice.

Fair call probably
 
I didn't say you were.

I often see new people arrive on this forum burning with zeal, often pretending to be people they aren't, on a mission to correct wrong thinkers. They post in one thread only and disappear, smugly thinking they have proven their point. They are fanboys.
I guess I miss the cut there too. Sorry about that.
 
Of course he is. It seems violent, impulsive men whose acts kill young defenceless women can do no wrong in his view. Pistorius will rot in jail for many years. In my view, it's only a matter of time for Tosree to suffer a similar fate. At least he will never get a decent job again.
The falsehoods and concocted fantasies never seem to stop with this one , so its time for a series of corrections again.
1. Nothing in Tostee's history has violence. Put up proof if you think you have it, else stop posting lies to bolster your failed arguments.
2. Tostee killed no one. Some addle brained female lost her head because of mental / drug problems and killed herself, and no amount of obtuseness and artistic story telling by you about that fact changes it.
3. Calling her young and defenceless at 26 when she is within 2 years of Tostee's age and does Muay Thai makes you seem a typical 3rd wave feminist (claiming female privilege and victimhood status automatically by default)
4. Pistorius will not "rot" in jail as you emotionally over state. He received a six year sentence which even if he served it all out with no parole, would see him complete the term by Mar 2019, however I think he will be paroled in 2017.

Heh, slow down. Trial judges usually look okay, but once they are promoted, and get to write up denied appeals they become masters in the craft of pure fiction.
In New Zealand I invite you to read appeals denied to Walter Bolton, Arthur Thomas, David Tamihere, Teina Pora, David Bain, possibly Scott Watson, and Mark Lundy . All of those bar possibly Watson are completely innocent, yet have a combined total of 11 fictional narratives by appeal court judges of crimes perpetrated by others. I'm not sure how badly Australian appeal courts behave, but they sure massacred Lindy Chamberlain. If Gable Tostee had been convicted of any crime I suspect he would be wasting time appealing.
I would be interested in reading them I suppose, but I dont know anything of NZ law, so I could never comment effectively on those appeals.Unfortunately, points of law do come down to personal interpretation and that is always subjective, but that is what judges are paid to do under Westminster judicial systems. Usually they are subject to appeal again in a higher court if you want.
We have been through this before. He could have thrown her out the front door and called the police.
No he couldnt, it wasnt that simple, as he described in his BBF post of 1 Dec 2014.
Did you not notice the respective size and strength of the two? Come off it. A small, drunk woman?
Come off it indeed. All just pure unfounded speculation as usual. Tostee was not a bodybuilder, all he did was tone his arms and chest. It is interesting to note how females give opinions on how a man should handle themselves in a fight, yet fighting is something 99% of women have no knowledge of. If you dont have an aggressive attitude and a knowledge of arm locking techniques, it isn't a straightforward matter to remove a female without harming them. Plenty of drunken females have caused damage to bouncers who handled them with kid gloves. Clearly this is what Tostee was doing with her. Tostee could have just busted her jaw, and dragged her out, and none of this would have happened. However he is obviously from that school that still thinks you treat women like ladies, not men. Another thing that people dont understand is , that tall people are usually non violent, as they are usually not the target of bullies,and they have not had experience of being in fights. Expecting someone like that to take control and bundle up a violent female is asking too much. Remember police need training to deal with these situations when being confronted with these matters, so how come Tostee is automatically expected to have these skills? Try employing some relevant context.
He caused her death whether this jury decided otherwise or not.
Wrong. She caused her own death. The jury correctly found that her actions were unreasonable and unpredictable. She was a psycho who would have topped herself somewhere eventually anyway.
We haven't heard the end of this. There will be a coroners inquest. Followed by a civil suit. Tostee may yet be bankrupted. His **** flat will be forfeited.
More unbridled garbage. You clearly have no understanding of these matters and are just making it up as you go along. More about that later.

Of course Tostee fanboys will say the coroner will simply rubber stamp the court decision. There have been many cases where the coroner has taken a contrary view. This is simply wishful thinking by the fanboys.
No, take a look at all the falsehoods you post - that is wishful thinking, spoken in absence of a true understanding of the facts, and legal procedure. The coroner has no reason to investigate anything. It is all clear cut from the trail . She clibed over without good reason. Nutjob. END OF STORY. Go back to watching CSI Miami, this is Australia.

.I often see new people arrive on this forum burning with zeal, often pretending to be people they aren't, on a mission to correct wrong thinkers. They post in one thread only and disappear, smugly thinking they have proven their point. They are fanboys.

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He was wrong about Pistorius. Totally. I'm going on his record.
And you were wrong about Tostee. Oh the delicious irony.
 
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