Gable Tostee

[Hard Cheese]

Why do you hope they heed it? I repeat, why are you so invested in this idiot's innocence?

I just told you - because the judge gave them a directive that they should not take his actions after she fell into account when determining guilt or innocence. Am I supposed to be hoping they ignore the judge, just because I don't like the look of his face? If they follow his directive and find him guilty, I have no problem at all with that.

 

[catsmate]

He did not illegally detain her - he was defending himself & his property

Untrue.

Police officers detain people everyday

Irrelevant.

and I have seen bouncers do far worse than what Tostee did and nobody questions it

Have you reported these illegal actions to the authorities?

So there is no "should have".

Yes, there is.

What happened - has happened. Rather we can look at the motive and the underlying motive for both of them is inebriation. Would she have climbed off the balcony had she been sober - hell no.

Irrelevant. If she hadn't been locked on the balcony she wouldn't have died.

As for poor Wareina she could have / should have stopped drinking earlier, or told him please dont put me on the balcony when I am drunk,

Did you actually read the transcript? Or just the bits that supported your opinions?

she could have actually been nice and not commited assault for an hour -

Unsupported assertion.

So as there was no underlying causality apart from inebriation for either party

Untrue. There's the matter of Tostee illegally imprisoning Wright in a dangerous locale rather than take other steps.

As for justice I dont see that it can be just to find him guilty, it may be that the precidence can result in justice in other cases or it may result in further unjust guilty verdicts

Or, and this might be a revolutionary concept to you, it might prevent further deaths.

 

[catsmate]

This business of stating locking someone on a balcony is unsafe I don't buy in any way shape or form.<snip>

It is unsafe with hindsight only.

Complete nonsense.

 

[catsmate]

Lawyers are obliged professionally to leave common sense at the door. They are always acting for some one, prosecutors, defence attorneys, parties to a divorce. Even appeal court judges are acting for the status quo of the last decision.
You have a winning hand as ANAL, you can dine from the tin labelled common sense with no fear.

More utter rubbish.

 

[catsmate]

Excuses for the murderer, blame for the victim.

Yeah.

 

[catsmate]

Huh, just a plain old misogynist.



Now, where else have I seen that quote, or something very similar.

That's right, Twitter, tweeted by a gareththomasnz, bodybuilder:



Well, you've got one less to worry about now, eh?

 

[catsmate]

A couple more tweets that may shed some light on the posting in this thread:


Nothing to see here.

Maybe after Trump loses he should move.

 

[kali1137]

I read through the transcripts of what he recorded and have some questions and opinions on the case. First, he is very much responsible for her death. I wouldn't go so far as to say murder but definitely manslaughter. He keeps her against her will, there can be no doubt about that. She asked to leave and he said no with a smug "because you were a bad girl". There is no self protection involved in that, he was angry and punishing her. It is very reasonable to assume that it would be dangerous to put a highly inebriated person on a high balcony. Not just because it has happened before but common sense, and also - because it has happened before. His behavior after is also very telling. He lies and leaves out details when telling the story to his father. I am also confused about him calling her phone several times after. Especially knowing it was in his pocket.
So to my questions - why was he recording all this to begin with in the first place? The second question, if he was completely innocent in all this why not lock her outside the apartment and call the police? How much trouble could she have possibly caused for him if he innocent of any wrong doing and had all her destruction on tape?

 

[Fixit]

I just told you - because the judge gave them a directive that they should not take his actions after she fell into account when determining guilt or innocence. Am I supposed to be hoping they ignore the judge, just because I don't like the look of his face? If they follow his directive and find him guilty, I have no problem at all with that.

I think the Judge's comments are critical, there's no blueprint as to how someone should react, or will react in such a situation. When Tostee asked his father why such '****' happened to him one can read sinister or regret - certainly not predict guilt or innocence from them alone.

 

[gareththomasnz]

Dont think they wil aquit also I wasnt aware he had someting in his hand when leaving

Looking at that pic she probably could have made it to the next balcony had she swung it right

So far I still think he deserves aquittal but have we heard all evidence presented in the trial?

Most of the anti Tostee rantings on this forum are assuming guilt on Tostee's behalf, also I dont think any of you have listened to more than the final 5 - 10 minutes recorded if any at all.

Its "innocent until proven guilty", and "the whole truth"

The whole truth in this case means the whole recording & all evidence presented to the jurors, not the transcripts which portray 20% of the information the actual recording does. Not just the nasty bit of the recording but all of it in full context.

That is non-bias

Also right now Tostee is an innocent man that stands accused. So have any of you presented any evidence of his guilt?

No I dont think so. What you have done is ignore much of what transpired and twisted things to match your bias.

This is not a situation where Tostee must prove he is innocent. The crown must prove he is guilty of murder or manslaughter.

I dont think they can as he was the victim of a prolonged hour long assault which none of you it seems have bothered to listen to on the recordings. He also did not assault the woman. Her response was disproportionate and irrational because she was blind drunk. As was her violence through out the evening.

Innocent untill proven guilty - not guilty until proven innocent

If you have just heard the last 5 minutes & read some transcripts then bugger off - you dont have enough info to form an opinion

You people are a lynch mob - disgraceful

 

[Shiner]

Dont think they wil aquit also I wasnt aware he had someting in his hand when leaving

I think this is new information. I don't recall it being mentioned before. It is interesting though.

Looking at that pic

Which pic?

So far I still think he deserves aquittal

Yep. You've said that a few times now. Although you started this post expressing doubt?

The whole truth in this case means the whole recording & all evidence presented to the jurors, not the transcripts which portray 20% of the information the actual recording does. Not just the nasty bit of the recording but all of it in full context.

You were asked to provide a link or directions to a full recording. You obviously know where to find that. You didn't produce.

That is non-bias
.

Haha. Funny. You said "non-bias".

This is not a situation where Tostee must prove he is innocent. The crown must prove he is guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Has someone in this thread suggested otherwise?

I dont think they can

Yep. We know. Got it loud and clear.

then bugger off -

No. I don't want to.

 

[gareththomasnz]

Lets wait & see

There is a bias toward convicting tostee on this forum - Putting a drunk idiot on a balcony after they assaulted you does not constitute manslaughter

I am not your mother - perform your own internet search for the recordings

Things that would change my mind -

1. He did infact sexually assault her earlier in the evening

2. He had seriously assaulted her, actually punched her hard in the guts or similar

Frankly the way she was behaving had he slapped her in the face or yelled in her face full volume I still would not consider him to be guilty

Now if you have not listened to the recordings of her behaviour for 30-40 minutes then go and look for it.

We could just show a video of the police putting Tostee in jail and rant on hey look at this poor man - the police are putting him in jail - never mind why

That is the mentality of bias that you folks have displayed - lynch mob

 

[Shiner]

Things that would change my mind -

1. He did infact sexually assault her earlier in the evening

2. He had seriously assaulted her, actually punched her hard in the guts or similar

Amazing. Two things that could never actually be proven, huh? There's that old "non-bias" again.

 

[gareththomasnz]

Shiner I'm going to ignore you.

Now interesting that I dont think anybody on here has pointed out Tostee has been getting psychiatric assistance.

Not for violence or aggression but for depression and self esteem issues.

I wonder if Wareina also has some psychiatric background. I could find zero internet footprint on wareina wright even searching exclusively prior to the unfortunate evening. I can not find anybody online even claiming to be friends of the deceased. That is quite unusual.

"Should Ms Wright’s mental state be considered due to alcohol consumption?"

My god I wonder what the judge will say

The jury deliberating on the verdict in the trial of Gable Tostee have been told not to speculate about a silver item he was holding as he left his Gold Coast apartment after Warriena Wright fell to her death from his balcony.

The Brisbane Supreme Court jury asked Justice John Byrne four questions, including if they should take into consideration how drunk Wright was and an item seen in Tostee's hand on CCTV footage after she died.

Justice Byrne told the jury they should not consider Tostee's conduct after the alleged offence as part of their deliberations, but were open to interpret if Wright's state of mind was influenced by alcohol.

 

[The Atheist]

Now interesting that I dont think anybody on here has pointed out Tostee has been getting psychiatric assistance.

Not for violence or aggression but for depression and self esteem issues.

Really?

A bodybuilder with self-esteem issues?

I am *********** shocked.

 

[gareththomasnz]

Bigoted remark noted from the atheist

He also said as Mr Tostee's age was not part of the evidence they must not draw any conclusions from it.

However, the jury is allowed to consider if Ms Wright's state of mind was influenced by alcohol, the court heard.

Clearly the jury is in dissagreement or they wouldnt be asking stupid questions

Also average IQ is not so bright so this can go either way


I think the two outstandingly stupid questions are about his age and if the fact she was drunk are relevant

Kewl if it went to hung jury then we could argue for six months... not

 

[lionking]

Shiner I'm going to ignore you.

Now interesting that I dont think anybody on here has pointed out Tostee has been getting psychiatric assistance.

Not for violence or aggression but for depression and self esteem issues.

I wonder if Wareina also has some psychiatric background. I could find zero internet footprint on wareina wright even searching exclusively prior to the unfortunate evening. I can not find anybody online even claiming to be friends of the deceased. That is quite unusual.

"Should Ms Wright’s mental state be considered due to alcohol consumption?"

My god I wonder what the judge will say

More excuse the murderer blame the victim nonsense.

 

[Ben1985]

So to my questions - why was he recording all this to begin with in the first place? The second question, if he was completely innocent in all this why not lock her outside the apartment and call the police? How much trouble could she have possibly caused for him if he innocent of any wrong doing and had all her destruction on tape?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that he claimed he'd been stolen from previously, and so he always recorded his hook-ups so that he could prove someone was there if something went missing.

 

[Shiner]

Oh my. What ever will I do now? Ignored? By someone with an agenda? That's never happened.

On Tostee's youtube account, there is video of a woman stealing his wallet from his loungeroom. Taken by fixed surveillance camera.

I've always found it curious that he had surveillance before the night Ms Wright fell to her death, but apparently had no working camera, or no camera that night.

Makes me wonder what he was carrying .......

 

[gareththomasnz]

Its looking in his favour from the judges responses

UPDATE: THE jury has handed another note to Justice John Byrne, again delaying a decision in the murder trial of Gable Tostee.

One question the jury asked was if Tostee removing Warriena Wright from his home to the balcony constitutes removing her from his home. Justice Byrne’s answer was yes.

Another was when does the act to remove a disorderly person begin, to which he responded it did not matter.

The jury was then sent back to continue their deliberations.

My poll has a few respondents but most are not guilty.

I think he was recording in case there were false rape or assault allegations. Which there may well have been the next day had she not fallen off the balcony.