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FTC Warns Companies of Penalties

Ranb

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FTC Warns Almost 700 Marketing Companies That They Could Face Civil Penalties if They Can’t Back Up Their Product Claims

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/new...-face-civil-penalties-if-they-cant-back-their
The Federal Trade Commission is putting hundreds of advertisers on notice that they should avoid deceiving consumers with advertisements that make product claims that cannot be backed up or substantiated. In notices sent to the companies, the FTC warned that it will not hesitate to use its authority to target violators with large civil penalties.

Under FTC law, companies must back up claims about what their product can do with reliable evidence. If a company makes a claim about the health or safety benefits of a product, that claim must be based on scientific evidence. If a company claims that its product can cure, mitigate, or treat a serious disease such as cancer or heart disease, it must back up that claim through the accepted standards of scientific testing.

This isn't really anything new it is? The fed occasionally go after companies that market dubious items that are worthless. But the fine just seems to be part of doing business. Until it becomes a criminal matter rather than a civil one, it seems it will just be part of the price of doing business for some.

Notices of penalty offenses allow the agency to seek civil penalties -- up to $50,120 per violation -- against a company that engages in conduct that it knows has been found unlawful in a previous FTC administrative order, other than a consent order.
Sounds like peanuts to me. Unless each sale is a violation.

The list of those warned so far. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/Published-list-Recipients.pdf
 
Wish the FTC would go after YouTubers that make outrageous claims.
 
I can see MLMs and "nutrition" companies being on the list, but Bausch & Lomb? Coca-Cola? Clorox?

You mean those big companies have been lying to me all this time??? :boggled:
 
Do you remember the old jingle, "Things go better with Coke"? They only appear to go better, because of Coke's caffeine content.

I don't think Coke ever did any independent double-blind studies to prove this claim. A quick way of testing this would be to split a group of mourners at a mass funeral into two equal groups. Feed one group the real thing, while the other group gets a placebo.
 
Can anyone explain to someone (me) too lazy to look up the law, on why this stuff is limited to fines and not criminal penalties? Do their products actually have to kill a person to make them criminally liable?

Ranb
 
Can anyone explain to someone (me) too lazy to look up the law, on why this stuff is limited to fines and not criminal penalties? Do their products actually have to kill a person to make them criminally liable?

Ranb

Presumably because the FTC is a regulatory agency and does not have the authority to do criminal prosecution, which would have to be done by the Justice Department. In egregious cases they could probably refer them to Justice.
 
Do you remember the old jingle, "Things go better with Coke"? They only appear to go better, because of Coke's caffeine content.

I don't think Coke ever did any independent double-blind studies to prove this claim. A quick way of testing this would be to split a group of mourners at a mass funeral into two equal groups. Feed one group the real thing, while the other group gets a placebo.

Sigh. And Guinness is no longer "Good for you."
 
They definitely have to go after Dove soap. If it moisturizes your skin, but doesn't leave anything on your skin, how does it moisturize your skin?

Also, if it's 99 and 44/100% pure, what are the 56/100% impurities? Rat droppings and spent uranium? Creamed spider eyeballs? Vampire bat vomit? There aren't a lot of choices, I think that's most of them.
 
I just got a dipping sauce in my HungryRoot delivery labeled Honey Cheddar. There is nothing remotely related to cheddar in the ingredients (although it is mostly identifiable stuff).
 
In Australia, supplements fall into a 'grey' area, not covered by law.

i.e. Food is heavily regulated, Medicine is heavily regulated, but supplements can be any old crap.

This has resulted in a situation where people are dying from liver failure, after consuming supplements that contain 'green tea' in concentrations sufficient to destroy the liver.

According to a recent documentary on the ABC this affects approximately 10 people per year (where the cause is known), unfortunately no one knows how many people are affected badly enough to cause liver cancer later on without anyone able to prove the link.

I'd like to see all supplements (and alternative medicine) regulated and monitored as heavily as real medicine.
 
They definitely have to go after Dove soap. If it moisturizes your skin, but doesn't leave anything on your skin, how does it moisturize your skin?

Also, if it's 99 and 44/100% pure, what are the 56/100% impurities? Rat droppings and spent uranium? Creamed spider eyeballs? Vampire bat vomit? There aren't a lot of choices, I think that's most of them.

I bet you anything there's an industry standard for soap, that specifies what soap purity is, what kinds of impurities are tolerated, and how soap purity is measured. I bet there's even an industry-standard grading system, establishing different grades of soap by purity.
 
In Australia, supplements fall into a 'grey' area, not covered by law.

i.e. Food is heavily regulated, Medicine is heavily regulated, but supplements can be any old crap.

This has resulted in a situation where people are dying from liver failure, after consuming supplements that contain 'green tea' in concentrations sufficient to destroy the liver.

According to a recent documentary on the ABC this affects approximately 10 people per year (where the cause is known), unfortunately no one knows how many people are affected badly enough to cause liver cancer later on without anyone able to prove the link.

I'd like to see all supplements (and alternative medicine) regulated and monitored as heavily as real medicine.

Thanks to the tireless efforts of the US Congress lobbyists the situation is much the same in the USA. All you have to is label something a "supplement" or "homeopathic" and the FDA can't regulate it, unless it provably causes harm. What's different in this case is that it's not the FDA going after them, it's the FTC, Federal Trade Commission, for false advertising.
It's interesting that among the hundreds of companies I never heard of there are some really big names.
 
I bet you anything there's an industry standard for soap, that specifies what soap purity is, what kinds of impurities are tolerated, and how soap purity is measured. I bet there's even an industry-standard grading system, establishing different grades of soap by purity.

Probably true, but an exhaustive 5 minutes of googling only came up with an industry standard for distinguishing soap from a cosmetic, drug, or synthetic detergent.

I did find this about Ivory soap...

straightdope said:
It all started in 1881 when Harley Procter, son of Procter & Gamble co-founder William Procter and a legendary soap salesman in his own right, decided he needed a new angle to hawk Ivory soap. Then as now people were impressed by scientific testimonials, and Harley decided if he could come up with a lab test showing Ivory was “purer” than other soaps, he’d win sales.

Trouble was, there wasn’t a standard for purity in soap, so Harley hired an independent scientific consultant in New York to concoct one. The consultant concluded that a 100% pure soap would consist of nothing but fatty acids and alkali, the somewhat yukky sounding substances that nonetheless are the chief ingredients of most soap.

No mention of creamed spider eyeballs. Disappointing.
 
In Australia, supplements fall into a 'grey' area, not covered by law.

i.e. Food is heavily regulated, Medicine is heavily regulated, but supplements can be any old crap.

This has resulted in a situation where people are dying from liver failure, after consuming supplements that contain 'green tea' in concentrations sufficient to destroy the liver.

According to a recent documentary on the ABC this affects approximately 10 people per year (where the cause is known), unfortunately no one knows how many people are affected badly enough to cause liver cancer later on without anyone able to prove the link.

I'd like to see all supplements (and alternative medicine) regulated and monitored as heavily as real medicine.

It goes beyond even that, one concern over here is about the interactions of "herbal remedies" and medically prescribed and tested actual drugs. We've no way of knowing how all the chemicals you are taking will alter, interfere, or even cause a harmful reaction.

Recently started an auto-immune suppression treatment and as part of that a practitioner nurse comes out to you (because you self-inject) to take you through absolutely everything and one of the areas she spent time going over was stressing about not taking any kind of supplements unless it was cleared by your consultant or pharmacist. Me being interested asked is that really a major problem and she said yes - especially with the likes of so-called "traditional Chinese medicine", she had some nasty tales about elderly folk being given stuff by their family - obviously not to harm them but that is what it did.
 
I bet you anything there's an industry standard for soap, that specifies what soap purity is, what kinds of impurities are tolerated, and how soap purity is measured. I bet there's even an industry-standard grading system, establishing different grades of soap by purity.

Which is moot in the case of Dove, which is a "beauty bar", not soap.
 
It goes beyond even that, one concern over here is about the interactions of "herbal remedies" and medically prescribed and tested actual drugs. We've no way of knowing how all the chemicals you are taking will alter, interfere, or even cause a harmful reaction.

Recently started an auto-immune suppression treatment and as part of that a practitioner nurse comes out to you (because you self-inject) to take you through absolutely everything and one of the areas she spent time going over was stressing about not taking any kind of supplements unless it was cleared by your consultant or pharmacist. Me being interested asked is that really a major problem and she said yes - especially with the likes of so-called "traditional Chinese medicine", she had some nasty tales about elderly folk being given stuff by their family - obviously not to harm them but that is what it did.

Yes, that part of it causes me a lot of concern.

I've personally known a couple of people that were damn near killed by the alternative stuff that they were taking, and in both cases, were actively lying to their Doctor about it.

i.e. The Doctor was saying: "Are you taking anything else?" and they were saying: "No, no supplements, no herbals, no nothing. "

In the first case, this stopped because the husband was in the room, and he said: "Well that's a lie." and immediately went home and retrieved a box of stuff that was being taken daily. Something like 30 different supplements and remedies, 7 of which contained 'valerian' and in her case, she was allergic to 'valerian'.

In the second case, the sufferer was so ill, she was hospitalised and therefore separated from all the poison that she was taking. She tried to get her partner to sneak the supplements in and that is how the treating physician found out. (I don't have the details but there was an interaction between a supplement and a blood pressure medication IIRC.)

These two cases make me wonder if there was a psychological addiction to popping pills, or worse, if those products may contain addictive substances.

In my father's case, he was also taking high doses of many supplements, some of which are known cancer risks, but was also taking a lot of paracetamol. He died of cancer of everything, but it is most likely that the cancer started in his liver. (Long term of overuse of paracetamol is my guessed cause, well above recommendations)

Similar to the first two above, he also actively lied to his GP and caused his wife a lot of frustration doing so.

Hence my concern with supplements, self medication and fake medical industries.
 
They definitely have to go after Dove soap. If it moisturizes your skin, but doesn't leave anything on your skin, how does it moisturize your skin?

Also, if it's 99 and 44/100% pure, what are the 56/100% impurities? Rat droppings and spent uranium? Creamed spider eyeballs? Vampire bat vomit? There aren't a lot of choices, I think that's most of them.

I think you are conflating your Dove and your Ivory..
 
I think you are conflating your Dove and your Ivory..

You're right, I conflated them, thank you. Ivory is the one with the spider eyeballs.

I'd also like the FTC to examine Johnson's "No Tears" Baby Shampoo. Pretty sure I could evoke voluminous tears with nothing but a test baby and the shampoo. If I'm allowed to use the bottle, I could do it with my -- and the baby's -- eyes closed.

I just can't guarantee I'd return the baby in original condition.
 

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