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From Reuters: Chavez Gives Opinions Regarding 2008

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From here: http://www.reuters.com/article/worl...eedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a socialist and fierce U.S. critic, warned on Tuesday that relations with Washington could worsen if Republican candidate John McCain wins this year's presidential election.


First the NY Times attacks him, now Chavez warns against him and his warlike ways. . . .



I must say, I never thought Karl Rove was that smart, but with this bit of news, I must tip my hat to him: Rove, you MAGNIFICANT BASTARD! How did you do it?
 
No problem Chavez, just rig the vote!


The federal government is investigating the takeover last year of a leading American manufacturer of electronic voting systems by a small software company that has been linked to the leftist Venezuelan government of President Hugo Chávez.

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“The government should know who owns our voting machines; that is a national security concern,” said Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, Democrat of New York, who asked the Bush administration in May to review the Sequoia takeover.

“There seems to have been an obvious effort to obscure the ownership of the company,” Ms. Maloney said of Smartmatic in a telephone interview yesterday. “The Cfius process, if it is moving forward, can determine that.”

The concern over Smartmatic’s purchase of Sequoia comes amid rising unease about the security of touch-screen voting machines and other electronic elections systems.


Another link
 
Chavez is about to learn that any foreign leader trying to influence an US election is doing nothing but creating a mess of trouble for him or her self.
It backfired on Maggie Thachter when she tried to influence a off year election to give the GOP both houses of Congress in 1986 ( it ended with the GOP Losing the house they had...the Senate) and she was a lot more popular in the US then that Castro Wannabe is.
 
Wow, I think we may have stumbled across the one thing that might make the Right re-think their stance on electronic voting.

It's an ill wind ...
FWIW, I have never been a fan of electronic voting. It's an idiotically complicated and expensive way of adding 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 just so the talking heads on TV can announce the winners a little earlier.
 
FWIW, I have never been a fan of electronic voting. It's an idiotically complicated and expensive way of adding 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 just so the talking heads on TV can announce the winners a little earlier.
Absolutely!!:mad:
 
Hugo - I still won't be buying your Citgo oil or gas no matter who wins in November. Go and f*ck yourself.
 
Chicago has been using Venezuelan voting machines for the last several elections.
 
I'm from Venezuela and I sincerely have to say I don't know what to think about Chavez. My opinion on him is: He's either really smart or really stupid.

(And I can almost hear the type of reply I'm going to get now)
 
How many times have US officials done the exact same thing (or worse) again? Daniel Ortega? Fidel Castro? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

Unless Chavez is actively campaigning and/or providing material support for some particular campaign, his opinions on the matter are relevant how exactly?
 
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FWIW, I have never been a fan of electronic voting. It's an idiotically complicated and expensive way of adding 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 just so the talking heads on TV can announce the winners a little earlier.

And vulnerable.
 
I'm from Venezuela and I sincerely have to say I don't know what to think about Chavez. My opinion on him is: He's either really smart or really stupid.

(And I can almost hear the type of reply I'm going to get now)

Nothing precludes both. One of our German posters is technically smart as best I can tell - but he cannot conceive of the effects that occur when a country is as large as the US and has a widely spread population but gigantic concentrations of that population in certain areas.. This affects his opinions/beliefs on many topics involving how this country functions. Not well.:)
 
Ya, because there was never cheating before computers were used.

Its not the machines. they are far more secure, accurate and trustworthy than any of the previous methods.

Its the people running things and interpreting the data that cause the problems.

Remember: A person can lie. A computer can't.
 
Where the political will exists to have secure voting systems, a mechanical voting system is best. Everything is transparent there is literally just one voting "egister per candidate. Cheating is always possible and indeed probable but likely to just occur on a small scale. By necessity more people must be involved for significant cheating to occur on a large scale.

With a computer system it is simply physically impossible to be sure for the Board of Election to be sure which software is installed on their systems.)And indeed if you had read through the links you would see that is one of the current problems. ) Also, you can't "see" how many registers there are in a software system. NY State has banned networking the voting machines together but the vendors are using off the shelf components. How do you guarantee there's no access via wifi or bluetooth? You can't, the manpower to do this simply doesn't exist.

Many vendors lobbied hard for computerized voting machines. They are far more expensive to purchase and maintain and its a good income stream for them and a new excessively large expense for taxpayers. That money is going to be paid and come from existing programs This is not in the interest of most voters.

Voting fraud can occur on a larger scale with fewer people involved.

Its not intuitively easy for most people to get how insecure a computerized system is. Despite the stories we hear about hackers, ID theft, corporations' database's being tresspassed and compromised, most of us are use to using many computers throughout the day without any problems. Why should a voting system be any different? At first glance, most people have thought it was an excellant idea.

Most people don't recall the huge learning curve society had to go through to have reliable working computer systems. Now we do, for the most part, but these are computer systems run and maintained on a daily basis. Not, at most used just a couple of times a year.

Another significant difference involved is that most computerized transactions are "audited" at one point or another by individuals. Many people check their bank statements and invoices -- they won't just assume that its correct.

With a system that relies on the right to keep your vote secret the same type of checking is not possible. Different controls, checks and balances need to be in place.

The mechanical voting machines when well maintained worked very well. How many of us still use pencils? Just like sometimes a pencil is still the best tool for the job, a mechanical voting machine is the best tool for many jobs also.

If you really want to know about the subject, read the links. There are many documented cases of abuses that surpass the problems that we had with mechanical voting machines before most of the country replaced them. I'm not going to regurgitate them for you -- they are in the links.

You might be interested to know that many programmers have gotten motivated to do grassroots lobbying in this area. The webmaster behind www.wheresthepaper.org is a database programmer. The head of NYers for Verified Voting is also a programmer.


ETA: Another point is that in a democracy its important for relatively unskilled people to be able to be involved in the democratic process also. Not just in voting but also to be able to participate in the system as poll workers, observers and tabulators. It would be desructive to the process to limit this ability to a few select "experts."
 

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