From Rapture Ready

[SezMe]

I had a realization today.
Kathy, I take back my claim. I do not believe that you are racist. I do not think that it is Obama's race that you have a problem with. I think it is his intelligence.
You are anti-intellectual.

I believe the evidence is quite overwhelming once it is considered:
1.) You refuse to read books that contain ideas that are challenging to you. (The Hokulele Book challenge is the perfect example of this)
2.) You reject evolution outright, without bothering to understand or learn about it.
3.) You claim to understand science, but then get angry when asked to demonstrate your understanding. You even offer up non-sequitors about child rearing, as though being a mother some how excuses ignorance.
4.) You attack the medical profession for their failures yet fail to understand or appreciate the successes.
5.) You don't actually read the bible with the intent on understanding it. Rather, you flip open to random sections and read for inspiration as though you were a mystic reading the I Ching.

Your problem with Obama is that he portrays a learned sense of self that you do not understand. That is what is alien to you and what makes you uncomfortable. Bush spoke of the word in simple terms, the way a child would. Obama does not boil the world down into such clear (and wholly false) black and white terms. He shows an understanding that is new to you, and that is what scares you.

You rebel against learning. You rebel because of what that learning would mean. It would mean the possibility of learning that this whole time you were wrong. Therefore, you reject learning and those who are learned. Kathy, you are anti-intellectual.

 

[The Man]

How much does your church charge you for this privilege?

Just your everlasting soul!!!!!!

I think Satan has a counter offer for the same merchandise. Although exchange rates may tend to fluctuate in today’s market. Also I have a hard time distinguishing between the offers and even the prospective buyers.

 

[The Man]

Black lesbian atheist.

Can’t wait to see it, even if a Clintonesc oval office cigar controversy does not ensue.

 

[Mashuna]

The four horsemen of the Apocalypse are the first four seals and there are seven, so you might have to go through the trouble.

I went to a seal colony a couple of years ago. One of them looked really hungry, and another kept fighting. I couldn't get close enough to see if any of them were diseased. Still, this has me worried. Can you tell me if all seals are the harbingers of the Apocalypse, or is it just some evil ones. Have seal clubbers been working for our salvation all this time? In trying to stop them, are Greenpeace doing the work of Satan? It's all very confusing.

 

[The Man]

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The four horsemen of the Apocalypse are the first four seals and there are seven, so you might have to go through the trouble. If the rapture saves anyone from anything, it would be the plagues. If the pre-tribulation idea of the rapture was right, you would already be gone. Since you are still here, the best you can hope for is a mid-tribulation rapture, if you are lucky, and that means another three years. (figuring we are already six months into the tribulation)

What no late term raptures, like say mid sixth seal? What exactly is the rapture cut off point? Is there no omnibus schedule one could acquire?

 

[Monster Machine]

<snipped for wackiness>

I fear that many Christians will turn away from Christianity when they are still here and the tribulation has begun. I see the tribulation as sort of a wine press to weed out the weak Christians and strength the faith of the strong.

<snipped for wackiness>

You sound like a Dominionist which is rather scary.

Do you know what's scary? That you speak of this genocide of billions of people as though you were discussing a grocery list. And approving of it.

Disgusting.

Monster

 

[Ethnikos]

What no late term raptures, like say mid sixth seal? What exactly is the rapture cut off point? Is there no omnibus schedule one could acquire?

Mid sixth seal is as good as any, in my opinion. That one is divided up into seven trumpets, so you can look at that as a sub-division of the seals.
I believe the purpose of the Book of Revelation is to teach an understanding of divine justice. It would have been useful to anyone, since the time it was written. The idea is that while you are being persecuted for your faith, you can rest assured that God is not going to let the situation stand forever.
The more persecuted you are, the greater the reward; the greater the persecutors work to do their thing, the greater their punishment will be.
"Let him who has understanding calculate his number" is the the prologue to the high point of what we need to be aware of. This is the identification of who is behind the final great push for distressing the world. Swearing allegiance to that power, perhaps in the hope of having a less intolerable time of it, will give you a worse time of it when God sends the plague onto the Beast, which that persecuting power is described as in the vision.

 

[joobz]

Mid sixth seal is as good as any, in my opinion. That one is divided up into seven trumpets, so you can look at that as a sub-division of the seals.
I believe the purpose of the Book of Revelation is to teach an understanding of divine justice. It would have been useful to anyone, since the time it was written. The idea is that while you are being persecuted for your faith, you can rest assured that God is not going to let the situation stand forever.
The more persecuted you are, the greater the reward; the greater the persecutors work to do their thing, the greater their punishment will be.
"Let him who has understanding calculate his number" is the the prologue to the high point of what we need to be aware of. This is the identification of who is behind the final great push for distressing the world. Swearing allegiance to that power, perhaps in the hope of having a less intolerable time of it, will give you a worse time of it when God sends the plague onto the Beast, which that persecuting power is described as in the vision.

So are those angels dancing a waltz or a jig while atop the pin?

 

[TimCallahan]

Once we are all dead, sell all the real-estate to the Chinese. The soft kill weapons will leave all the mosques intact, so they will be ready for occupancy, once all those pesky Christians are dead.
Hurry up converting your friends because the nukes might be going off Monday. That might be a clear sign to sceptics that something is wrong in Wonderland. They have all these tactical weapons moved in ready for action on the Georgian/Russian border to continue the fighting they had going last year.

This post must be part of that latest round of conspiracy paranoia going around. A friend of our, who worked with my wife a number of years in the animation industry, is, unfortunately given to such fears. She recently e-mailed us that the Muslims will be ready to take over America within 20 years. By that time, she asserted, owing to their population growth, they will have enough voting strength to elect a president.

I decided to check this out mathematically. It turns out that immigration from Muslim countries into the U.S. is low. the largest sources of new immigrants, according to the Census Bureau are China, Philippines, India and Vietnam. None of these are Muslim countries. As to what percentage of the population is Muslim, it turns out to be 0.5%. Thus, if every Muslim family in the U.S. has 10 or more children, and there is no erosion of faith due to secular influences, we might have a tenfold increase in the Muslim population of America. Since 10 X 0.5 = 5, that will mean in 20 years, when these Muslim children are adults, the Islamic population of the U.S. will be a whopping 5%!

As to Russia's bullying of Georgia, if the Russians really wanted a complete takeover of that tiny country, they could have done it by now. Since we aren't going to go to war with them over a strip of territory in the Caucasus, all we would do ifthey did fully occupy Georgia would be to make a lot of angry noises and hollow threats. What actual evidence do you have that the Russians are massing tactical nuclear weapons on the Georgian border?

This paranod crap you subscribe to gets in the way of dealing with very REAL problems. Here are a few of them, in case yo haven't noticed:

1) We alone among the developed nations lack a decent health care system.

2) Our dependence on foriegn oil has turned us into a deptor nation and made us vulnerable to the whims of medieval rulers of backward nations.

3) We don't make our own goods anymore and are utterly dependant of foreign manufacture.

4) We owe massive amounts of money to China, not one of the great champions of human rights.

All of these are long term problems, but are not insoluble. However, at least a nodding relationship with the real world is necessary to deal with them. Instead, you, Kathy and far too many others waste your time and my energy on bull**** conspiracy theories and such theologically questionable constructs as the Rapture.

 

[Mr Clingford]

This post must be part of that latest round of conspiracy paranoia going around. A friend of our, who worked with my wife a number of years in the animation industry, is, unfortunately given to such fears. She recently e-mailed us that the Muslims will be ready to take over America within 20 years. By that time, she asserted, owing to their population growth, they will have enough voting strength to elect a president.

I decided to check this out mathematically. It turns out that immigration from Muslim countries into the U.S. is low. the largest sources of new immigrants, according to the Census Bureau are China, Philippines, India and Vietnam. None of these are Muslim countries. As to what percentage of the population is Muslim, it turns out to be 0.5%. Thus, if every Muslim family in the U.S. has 10 or more children, and there is no erosion of faith due to secular influences, we might have a tenfold increase in the Muslim population of America. Since 10 X 0.5 = 5, that will mean in 20 years, when these Muslim children are adults, the Islamic population of the U.S. will be a whopping 5%!

As to Russia's bullying of Georgia, if the Russians really wanted a complete takeover of that tiny country, they could have done it by now. Since we aren't going to go to war with them over a strip of territory in the Caucasus, all we would do ifthey did fully occupy Georgia would be to make a lot of angry noises and hollow threats. What actual evidence do you have that the Russians are massing tactical nuclear weapons on the Georgian border?

This paranod crap you subscribe to gets in the way of dealing with very REAL problems. Here are a few of them, in case yo haven't noticed:

1) We alone among the developed nations lack a decent health care system.

2) Our dependence on foriegn oil has turned us into a deptor nation and made us vulnerable to the whims of medieval rulers of backward nations.

3) We don't make our own goods anymore and are utterly dependant of foreign manufacture.

4) We owe massive amounts of money to China, not one of the great champions of human rights.

All of these are long term problems, but are not insoluble. However, at least a nodding relationship with the real world is necessary to deal with them. Instead, you, Kathy and far too many others waste your time and my energy on bull**** conspiracy theories and such theologically questionable constructs as the Rapture.

Very well said.

I am also impressed that you have gone to such lengths with this post.

 

[TimCallahan]

Thank you, Mr Clingford. Since you're located in the UK, and since many Pakistanis have immigrated there, is there a perceived Islamic threat to western values in the UK? I seem to remember there being a fairly large mosque near Regent's Park whan I visited London over a decade ago. What can you tell me about what percentage of the population of the UK is Muslim? Are they percieved as being integrated into English society or are there fears of them impose Sharia law and the like?

 

[hamelekim]

Do you know what's scary? That you speak of this genocide of billions of people as though you were discussing a grocery list. And approving of it.

Disgusting.

Monster

Thanks for the ad hominem attack.

God's judgement is not genocide.

 

[paximperium]

Thanks for the ad hominem attack.

God's judgement is not genocide.

Stating that YOUR version of god is a tyranical homicidal genocidal maniac is not an ad hominem, it is a statement of fact. Stating that you approve of anything your fantasy allegedly done including genocide is a statement of fact.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Thanks for the ad hominem attack.

God's judgement is not genocide.

That wasn't an ad hominem attack as defined by the rules of debate.

And I agree that your personal version of god is a cruel monster.

 

[Ethnikos]

This post must be part of that latest round of conspiracy paranoia going around.

As to Russia's bullying of Georgia, if the Russians really wanted a complete takeover of that tiny country, they could have done it by now. Since we aren't going to go to war with them over a strip of territory in the Caucasus, all we would do if they did fully occupy Georgia would be to make a lot of angry noises and hollow threats. What actual evidence do you have that the Russians are massing tactical nuclear weapons on the Georgian border?

This paranod crap you subscribe to gets in the way of dealing with very REAL problems. All of these are long term problems, but are not insoluble. However, at least a nodding relationship with the real world is necessary to deal with them. Instead, you, Kathy and far too many others waste your time and my energy on bull**** conspiracy theories and such theologically questionable constructs as the Rapture.

You seem to be buying into the main-stream media propaganda about Georgia. The election of their president was a CIA op. The conflict is instigated by the Mossad types running the puppet president. The purpose of the whole thing is to bottle-neck the Russians from intervening while the military, formerly of the US, but now of the bankers attack Iran.
All those problems that you mention would go away if we were not giving all our money to the bankers and to a huge military industrial complex for world domination.
If no nukes go off in the next two weeks, then tell me I am wasting my time thinking about the wars coming onto the world.I do not think this is Armageddon or the rapture, it is just the misery, otherwise know as the tribulation. My point is that the rapture ain't happening in the near future, as in any second. It's too late to think it is right (pre-tribulation rapture) because the misery is happening right now. We need to try to do something to stop the wars.

 

[Agatha]

If no nukes go off in the next two weeks, then tell me I am wasting my time thinking about the wars coming onto the world.I do not think this is Armageddon or the rapture, it is just the misery, otherwise know as the tribulation. My point is that the rapture ain't happening in the near future, as in any second. It's too late to think it is right because the misery is happening right now. We need to try to do something to stop the wars.

OK, that will be 22.06 or thereabouts UK time on 15 July. I'll make a diary note to tell you that you were wasting your time. In the unlikely event nukes go off or your god shows up, I'll admit I was wrong in thinking you are deluded.

 

[paximperium]

If no nukes go off in the next two weeks, then tell me I am wasting my time thinking about the wars coming onto the world.I do not think this is Armageddon or the rapture, it is just the misery, otherwise know as the tribulation. My point is that the rapture ain't happening in the near future, as in any second. It's too late to think it is right because the misery is happening right now.

If no nukes go off, you'll just make up some other paranoid delusional related excuse.

We need to try to do something to stop the wars.

Yes, hence we need to have nuts stop living in a paranoid fantasy world and do something useful.

 

[hamelekim]

Stating that YOUR version of god is a tyranical homicidal genocidal maniac is not an ad hominem, it is a statement of fact. Stating that you approve of anything your fantasy allegedly done including genocide is a statement of fact.

No, that's your view of God. My view of God is far different than yours.

 

[Ethnikos]

OK, that will be 22.06 or thereabouts UK time on 15 July. I'll make a diary note to tell you that you were wasting your time. In the unlikely event nukes go off or your god shows up, I'll admit I was wrong in thinking you are deluded.

I appreciate you volunteering to help out.

 

[elbe]

No, that's your view of God. My view of God is far different than yours.

So your view of god is not based on the bible. Why didn't you say so?