Freemen are just getting greedy (also stupider)

Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds?
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Oh yes, he believes they exist and are worth $8 million.
He doesn't want to access his as he would rather have the stock option than the cash.
Thats stock options in a society he doesn't acknowledge exists ( go figure)

He once mention in one of his videos about accessing it and someone in the crowd asked him when, he said he just had to find time to complete the paperwork, that was over two years ago.
Must be some complicated process, Im sure I would have completed it when there was $8 million sitting there just waiting to be claimed.
 
Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds?
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Menard has an opinion on everything. Unfortunately his opinions are as scammy as a scam-town scam-rat.

Like all pedlars of this scam Menard will tell you <insert youtube link to one of his "seminars" here> that your birth certificate has a number on it which you can track on the stock exchange to see what your value is.

(I cannot be arsed searching for said video, but he's in someone's garden. Mrmitee is his youtube cess-pit)

ETA: Menard YouTube Birth Bond Nonsense
Menard enters at approx 1:25
Take note of how he ignores the person who presents a birth certificate that doesn't have the super secret magic number.

ETA2: Part2
@4:31 in Part2 Menard openly lies about the scam he is promoting.

Part3
@2:20 He blatantly lies yet again.
 
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It was just a matter of time before someone took this Freeman stuff way too far. Thank goodness this was just a guy making threatening phone calls.
 
"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things.

Those who espouse (and sell) the FoTL nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. I feel sorry for "my" FoTLer to a certain extent because I recognize mental illness when I see it and his/her mental illness is being exploited by the FoTL crew, but all I can do is shake my head and when it comes to the point of threatening court staff, my sympathy evaporates entirely.

This isn't going to end well at all. This person is going to end up losing everything s/he ever had, and end up homeless (notwithstanding his/her belief s/he can just check into the local Sheraton hotel and sign off the bills to his/her "birth certificate bond" to be paid by the federal government on account of his/her "birth certificate bond" and other such nonsense - we all know how that will turn out). The reality is that this person is going to go to jail and when s/he gets out of jail, all of his/her belongings will be long gone, sold for debts owed, etc., and s/he will never recover from this BS.

All because of people like Menard and others who try to sell their particular brand of woo to the mentally incompetent.

It's really, really sad.
 
jargon buster said:
I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing.
We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods.
I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.
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How popular is it though? "freeman on the land" doesn't get enough searches to show up in google trends. People only search for Freeman on the land on wikipedia about 120 times a month:

http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Freeman_on_the_land

Thats less than say cash gifting

http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Cash_gifting

A Pyramid scheme that has long since passed its peak.
 
LashL said:
The reality is that this person is going to go to jail ..
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Well, (s)he will get dree accomodation, free meals, probably a decent (free) library service, laundry done by others, changes of clothes, probably computer and education access (hey, he could study law while he is in). Flawless Voctory.

Norm
 
Alferd_Packer said:
a "menard" is a big toothy smile.
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We just now got a Menard's where I live, and so I did not know the history of the store...including any spokesmen in the past. Heck given their commercials I could have sworn they were a newer local place. Weird things I learn here.
 
dropzone said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaUBXwzza4
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Man....it is like when I moved from Joplin to Wichita and found out that they too had a Furniture Factory Outlet. It is literally something that blows one's mind because you are used to cheap looking commercials being the product of only local companies. Literally this thread pointed me to a wealth of youtube videos detailing a long legacy of commercials for a store that I thought was only local. :)

EDIT: And I'll stop going off topic, but this thread inspired me to search a horrible local commercial online for Grouppig only to find that that horrible CGI pig is everywhere. Some commercials just look cheap.
 
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LashL said:
"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things.

Those who espouse (and sell) the FoTL nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. I feel sorry for "my" FoTLer to a certain extent because I recognize mental illness when I see it and his/her mental illness is being exploited by the FoTL crew, but all I can do is shake my head and when it comes to the point of threatening court staff, my sympathy evaporates entirely.

This isn't going to end well at all. This person is going to end up losing everything s/he ever had, and end up homeless (notwithstanding his/her belief s/he can just check into the local Sheraton hotel and sign off the bills to his/her "birth certificate bond" to be paid by the federal government on account of his/her "birth certificate bond" and other such nonsense - we all know how that will turn out). The reality is that this person is going to go to jail and when s/he gets out of jail, all of his/her belongings will be long gone, sold for debts owed, etc., and s/he will never recover from this BS.

All because of people like Menard and others who try to sell their particular brand of woo to the mentally incompetent.

It's really, really sad.
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And incomprehensible.

Being married for many years to someone who now espouses a raft of beliefs similar to those described above I still cannot fathom the mix of tortured logic, wholesale denial and black/white view of the world (you're for me or against me) seemingly required to maintain such a position. It looks to be a one-way journey too; a sort of one-upmanship of how much of what goes on around can be blamed on Them.
 
Hans said:
I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard
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Well, I had to leave the computer a few minutes ago to take a Menard. It wasn't Grand so I just flushed it. I suspect anyone taking a Menard should also remember to flush afterward.:):)
 
LashL said:
"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things.
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Shouldn't this be in the "FOTL success stories" thread?
 
LashL said:
"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, ... ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result...
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Oh hell, my daughter managed all that PLUS four nights in jail because she didn't have proof of insurance. Then her car was repoed from the impound lot. I had co-signed on the loan so I have scraped up the money needed to get it out of repo because I could really use the car. When driving through her town I plan to put a sign in the back window that says, "I'm not (her name)" because the cops know her car and a yellow Focus is hard to hide.

No FOTL beliefs needed, just an idiot who was embarassed to tell people she's an idiot and needed some help.
 
"Up Menard's Creek without a Paddle... A personal story of paranoia, gullibility and stupidity."

(Screenplay by Girlgye)
 
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