"Freefall"

einsteen said:
Never seen Titanic.

R.Mackey but then there must be an explanation why people walk away from the building saying "building is about to collapse", this is not some random video, it is the only few video material from eyewitnesses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ
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Well, if i just saw WTC1 and 2 collapsing - i would be more then sceptic about building 7 with it´s heavy fires and the reported damage, wouldn´t you?
 
einsteen said:
R.Mackey but then there must be an explanation why people walk away from the building saying "building is about to collapse", this is not some random video, it is the only few video material from eyewitnesses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ
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So who are the people on the video, and what are their credentials? When was the video taken? If you can't answer that, it is a random video.

FDNY concluded at about 1:30 in the afternoon that WTC 7 was going to fall. It fell over three hours later. So logically anyone nearby should have figured it out. This was not a secret.

I don't understand what you find so mysterious.

If it was a demolition, then the only people who "knew" it was going to collapse would have been the people in on the plot. That means the people speaking on the video. In that case, your video would be tantamount to an admission of complicity.

Do you understand just how insane this is?
 
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At somewhere around 2pm on 9/11 I walked away from WTC7 saying it was going to collapse.

It was the massive amount of damage to the building, the massive fire, and the fact that it was leaning over that gave me a clue.

Everyone looking at the building saw ot was going to come down.
 
It's a compilation made by CNN about wtc7, this is a raw capture from CNN. I don't know who those guys are, I wasn't there.
It doesn't look like something secret, everyone had to leave the environment. Did you hear the explosion and the multiple echo,
well we have at least the sound of an explosion (I mean another) at 911. I don't know what is insane about it, we should at least
have some consistencies. You understand this is a medium for CT's. I have at least some questions and don't simply ignore video material if I was biased to the official theory.

ps. "about to collapse" is not "about to blow up"
 
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ps. "about to collapse" is not "about to blow up"
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Yes, but you will notice that the building didn't blow up. WTC7 did not explode or blow up in any way. If it were really about to blow up, the firement and others in the video would have been running like hell.

Instead, they are moving away from the zone in which debris might be expected from a collapse. So, whether they said "blow up" or "collapse," the video shows that the building did in fact collapse.

The fact that hyperbolic statements from witnesses ("blow up," "explosions," or "using planes as missiles") are more important than the observation of the events of that day is one of the things that I understand least about the CTists.
 
einsteen said:
Well that Boom Boom Boom sound in this video

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_blow_up.wmv

is just a minor issue, let's forget about it and forgot whoever says "blow up" whatever that means, maybe the cameraman was blowjobbed
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You know, einsteen, I was once watching a guy and he started yelling and screaming that there was a Tyranasaurus Rex. I didn't believe him because those were just words. But then I saw with my own eyes a T Rex. That finally convinced me that it was real.

Or would have until the credits rolled and I realized it was just a movie. Your senses can be fooled. People's words can be less than perfect. But, in the end, if something is impossible then it cannot possibly have happened.
 
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Steel conducts heat good enough to get no gradient if you heat it at one side.
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We have some very tall highway lights at some of the major entrance and exit ramps on the highway near me. They are constructed of rather thick steel - I saw the segments before they were assembled. They all lean away from the sun. It's most noticable in the winter, since the sunlight is at a low angle all day. No matter what direction the sun is coming from, they always lean away. Why is that? You'd think such a great conductor of heat would be able to transfer enough heat from one side of the pole to the other fast enough that there wouldn't be a thermal gradient. And that's just from sunlight. I wonder how much they would bend of you had a multi-story fire burning on one side of them?
 
einsteen said:
Well that Boom Boom Boom sound in this video

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_blow_up.wmv

is just a minor issue, let's forget about it and forgot whoever says "blow up" whatever that means, maybe the cameraman was blowjobbed
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einsteen, this is getting awfully tedious, and you have some cheek implying that we are all deaf. If you want us to take you seriously, you are going to have to be much more respectful.

For now, since this appears to be all the evidence you have, just answer this question:

Which is more likely?

1. The person speaking was using "blow up" as a figure of speech, referring to WTC 7 collapsing

2. The person speaking knew that, incredibly, there were bombs in the building, and they were going to be detonated

Which one? Explain your answer.
 
R.Mackey, no offense of course, I know the people here are in general skilled people who I respect, this was just a slip of the tongue. It could indeed be a figure of speech. But there is also a correlation between that figure of speech and the explosion sound, which is not a kind of crunch sound as a result of structural failure and it happened before the global collapse. But I stop with this now here.

AK-Dave, the gradient will be there but to be precise I mean that heat conduction will work as a kind of buffer.

Loss Leader, there are also groups of people who saw UFO's I don't believe them, they have no evidence, even if 1000 people say it it is worthless if there is no evidence. The problem then is if those folks are experts we have to believe them...??
 
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R.Mackey, no offense of course, I know the people here are in general skilled people who I respect, this was just a slip of the tongue. It could indeed be a figure of speech. But there is also a correlation between that figure of speech and the explosion sound, which is not a kind of crunch sound as a result of structural failure and it happened before the global collapse. But I stop with this now here.

AK-Dave, the gradient will be there but to be precise I mean that heat conduction will work as a kind of buffer.

Loss Leader, there are also groups of people who saw UFO's I don't believe them, they have no evidence, even if 1000 people say it it is worthless if there is no evidence. The problem then is if those folks are experts we have to believe them...??
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einsteen,
Not a single person who was on the scene when WTC 7 collapsed described hearing or seeing anything resembling explosives. Not the firemen, not the EMTs, not the engineers, not the explosives demolitions experts. Nor was a single piece of evidence indicating the placement or use of explosives found.

Please stop this foolishness. It's childish and it's deeply disrespectful of the people who work their butts off to achieve expertise in their fields.

ETA: Answer your own question: are there experts in UFO identification?
 
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Einsteen, I notice you are getting all jokey and fuzzy. I have noticed this kind of evasion before (in this case it might be unintentional, I don't know you well enough yet). However, let's not waste time:

You have made some claims and they have been countered. What exactly is your present position?

- What exactly do you claim happened to the WTC, and what is your evidence for that claim?

I for one am not going to waste time with someone who just drops fuzzy half-arguments all over the place, so let's have some focus now, OK?

Hans
 
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