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Free Britney!

The current news is that she and Sam have decided to divorce. Sam said he had to leave because of her erratic behaviour, such as punching him whilst he slept and 'cheating', he claims.

As this is a forum I was wondering what people thought of Britney possibly having been taken advantage of by a gold digger, or alternatively, is she really now living her best life as someone claimed..?

I'm not a fan of the term "gold digger" either. So any time someone less wealthy marries someone more wealthy, are they a "gold digger"? Like, I need some sort of stronger evidence before I leap to a conclusion like that. I assume that there was some genuine love there, at least at the beginning, absent evidence to the contrary.

It's also not clear to me that he is likely to get much, if any, compensation for his efforts (if money was all he was after) as there was reportedly an "ironclad" prenup. Perhaps he gets a share of the income she earned during the year of their marriage, but I don't know.
 
What Britney does in private is none of your business, and what she does in public you don't have to follow. Just leave her the **** alone for once in her life.
 
On page 20 of a thread about Britney's private life, it's now a faux paux to discuss Britney's private life? That's rather odd.
 
On page 20 of a thread about Britney's private life, it's now a faux paux to discuss Britney's private life? That's rather odd.
When the thread was about Britney's conservatorship, that was one thing. Now that the conservatorship has ended and she is free of it, it's just gossip. Salacious gossip, at that.
 
I'm not a fan of the term "gold digger" either. So any time someone less wealthy marries someone more wealthy, are they a "gold digger"? Like, I need some sort of stronger evidence before I leap to a conclusion like that. I assume that there was some genuine love there, at least at the beginning, absent evidence to the contrary.

It's also not clear to me that he is likely to get much, if any, compensation for his efforts (if money was all he was after) as there was reportedly an "ironclad" prenup. Perhaps he gets a share of the income she earned during the year of their marriage, but I don't know.

I don't know whether he is or not. The point is, vulnerable people can be targetted by people whose aims are less than honourable. IMV Sam's recent filing for divorce will have an impact on Britney's well-being as her vulnerability makes her inner psyche more fragile than most. OTOH it might just be the usual celebrity divorce because of irreconcilable differences, as Sam states. However, I understand that in the prenup he is entitled to no more than about $10m - $15m. He appears to be threatening to reveal stories about her which is concerning when he knows she is not well and he should not be selling stories of her 'erratic behaviour' to the press IMV given he knew what her issues were when he married her.

That is all I meant by 'gold digger'. It could well be that his aim is true. But I don't think that is the sort of thing to threaten.
 
What Britney does in private is none of your business, and what she does in public you don't have to follow. Just leave her the **** alone for once in her life.


But Britney is uploading her ’private life’ onto Instagram videos to her 42.1m followers (and yes, I confirm, I have never looked at it myself). Fact is, Britney had been under conservatorship via her father. For a court to have granted this, there will have had to have been a diagnosis of a serious condition that diminished personal responsibility, such as a serious mental illness. It has never been revealed what that diagnosis was, but most people assume a Bi-Polar affective condition. This is not just someone being manic-depressive, as it used to be known; it seriously impacts the quality of that person’s life and in most cases the depressive side being more prevalent and longer lasting than the fleeting manic ones. Many such persons make numerous suicide attempts. You mentioned the fact that not long ago terms such as ‘imbecile’ or ‘cretin’ were considered OK but now are not.

Actually, those terms were diagnoses by educational psychologists as a tool to identify and provide specialized education for such children who do not thrive in a normal classroom, or even needing institutionalized care. It was the general public that turned these terms into a stigma. When we said, ‘Go back to Shenley’ in the infants’ school playground, we had no idea what it meant or even where Shenley was (it referred to a psychiatric hospital near Colney Hatch and served Middlesex County), suffice to vaguely understand that it referred to a mysterious condition called ‘madness’ (of which we also knew nothing about). Our grandparents’ and even parents’ generation never talked openly about such things. Even cancer was spoken of in whispered terms as ‘the Big C’ and many people were loath to accept their kids needed glasses or hearing aids or – heaven forfend! – ‘special educational needs’. So in fact, it is NOT talking about things such as serious mental illness that causes stigma.

Susan Sontag, American essayist said:

[…] that the clearest and most truthful way of thinking about diseases is without recourse to metaphor. She believed that wrapping disease in metaphors discouraged, silenced, and shamed patients.
Illness as Metaphor’, 1978.


In respect of Britney Spears, if indeed she does have a serious diagnosed mental health condition, then this will be a medical fact, and it will be a medical fact that such an illness (for example, schizophrenia, clinical depression, bi-polar or other affective or endocrinological disorders) can be treated by medication to control the symptoms. Likewise, it remains a fact that not taking the aforesaid medication will almost certainly cause the diagnosed person to relapse into the former distressing symptoms that brought them to the attention of the medical profession in the first place.

IMV people who claim that Britney was only put under conservatorship because her father wanted to control her career and make a fortune out of her fame are ignoring the very public fact of Britney’s current mental health unravelling before everybody’s eyes. To claim that this is ‘her private life’ and ‘all is well’, is an example of how our grandparents used to stigmatize mental illness by not talking about it and pretending it doesn’t exist except behind hospital walls. Your claim that we must not talk about Britney being ‘off her meds’ is the stigmatizing one, as though it is taboo to mention such a thing.

In the meantime carry on enjoying the videos, if that is your thing.
 
But Britney is uploading her ’private life’ onto Instagram videos to her 42.1m followers (and yes, I confirm, I have never looked at it myself). Fact is, Britney had been under conservatorship via her father. For a court to have granted this, there will have had to have been a diagnosis of a serious condition that diminished personal responsibility, such as a serious mental illness. It has never been revealed what that diagnosis was, but most people assume a Bi-Polar affective condition.

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You mustn't have followed the thread, the conservatorship was obtained without any such thing.
 
On page 20 of a thread about Britney's private life, it's now a faux paux to discuss Britney's private life? That's rather odd.

The topic of the thread isn't her private life, it's whether or not she should have autonomy in her personal decision making. Her private life comes into it insomuch as it shows she's making poor enough decisions to justify the state limiting her free choice in how she lives.
That seems like a very high bar to me, but perhaps we have different views on the role of the state in limiting people's choices in life. Making poor choices, marrying the wrong man, etc. don't seem to meet that bar to me. Getting divorced isn't evidence that she should be constrained by the state in how she spends or time and money.

To the extent that her private life is in such a bad state as to justify the conservatorship she was placed under, its reasonable to bring it up here. The the extent that it isn't in such a state, I think arthwolipot is correct that it just becomes gossip.

Personally I think you'd need to demonstrate real harm to others, not just that she's unhappy or making bad decisions, but that's my own view. Others have a lower bar that might be met by grievous self-harm. But getting divorced is not something that should meet anyone's bar here.
 
I'd still like to know why she deserves to be labelled as "erratic" and "unravelling".

ISTM that once a person in the public eye gets a reputation for being "erratic" then it's almost impossible for them to shake off regardless of their current behaviour. I don't know whether there's any science to how the media makes its decision of whether it's just whether some showbiz editor decides that someone deserves to be taken down a peg or two.

Brittany Spears has been awarded the "erratic" label and I don't see any way for her to shake it.
 
From memory - the initial reason given for a conservatorship was dementia.

Apparently, this was the term glimpsed on court papers. As it is clear Britney Spears had neither childhood or young persons Alzheimers or the Vascular varieties associated with dementia, I am guessing this was just a generic term to describe the type of behaviour associated with dementia, namely, delusions, hallucinations, paranoia and aggression. I doubt Britney suffered any of these to the extent she needed 24/7 care, as one would expect in a medically diagnosed case of early onset Dementia. She can walk without any problem, for example. There are tales of her son waking up to find Mom hovering over him with a knife, and strange behaviour in public creating scenes, so she clearly has some unspecified issues that cause concern.
 

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