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Free Britney!

07 Sept 2021, Britney Spears' father files petition to end conservatorship

CNN wrote,
"Ms. Spears has told this Court that she wants control of her life back without the safety rails of a conservatorship. She wants to be able to make decisions regarding her own medical care, deciding when, where and how often to get therapy. She wants to control the money she has made from her career and spend it without supervision or oversight. She wants to be able to get married and have a baby, if she so chooses. In short, she wants to live her life as she chooses without the constraints of a conservator or court proceeding," the petition reads in part.

"As Mr. Spears has said again and again, all he wants is what is best for his daughter. If Ms. Spears wants to terminate the conservatorship and believes that she can handle her own life, Mr. Spears believes that she should get that chance," the filing said.[1]​

NBC News wrote,
"The conservatorship has helped Ms. Spears get through a major life crisis, rehabilitate and advance her career, and put her finances and her affairs in order. But recently, things have changed," the filing said. "Ms. Spears is now outspoken in her frustration with the level of control imposed by a conservatorship, and has pleaded with this Court to 'let her have her life back.'"[2]​

Having someone, in this case Britney's dad, voluntarily file a petition to end a conservatorship (or guardianship, depending on what state you live) is practically unheard of.

Using a change of mental health, or mental stability, and understanding Britney's feelings and wishes, is the reason given for Jamie Spears' decision to end the (abusive) conservatorship.

Ernie Marsh (me) says: I get the sense Britney Spears never needed to be in a conservatorship. Period.

I get the sense a lot of people wronged and harmed Britney Spears.

I find it scary how easy it is too 'legally' control someone. Take away someone's civil rights, constitutional rights, quality of life, life, assets, and decisions.

I believe a lot of people got caught and it's being made public. This is good and necessary to help curb abuse.

This public display of an abusive conservatorhship is rarely seen.

Sources:

[1] Melas, Chloe. (Tue Sept 7, 2021). Britney Spears' father petitions to end her conservatorship CNN. https[colon]//www[dot]cnn.com/2021/09/07/entertainment/britney-spears-conservatorship-petition-to-end/index.html

[2] Doha Madani and Diana Dasrath. (Tue Sept 7, 2021). Britney Spears' father files petition to end conservatorship after 13 years at helm of pop star's estate https[colon]//www[dot]nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/britney-spears-father-files-petition-end-conservatorship-n1277108
 
Ernie M said:
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Using a change of mental health, or mental stability, and understanding Britney's feelings and wishes, is the reason given for Jamie Spears' decision to end the (abusive) conservatorship.

Ernie Marsh (me) says: I get the sense Britney Spears never needed to be in a conservatorship. Period.
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There's where all the evidence points. A permanent conservatorship is supposed to be imposed only on someone who is permanently, irretrievably incapacitated, not someone who is suffering from treatable mental illness.
 
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Well, the evidence began pointing that way probably around ten years ago if not more.

But this looks like a total capitulation by Mr. Spears, and I'm confused by it. I do not believe for a moment that he spontaneously came to a realization on his own that the conservatorship needed to end. This:

"As Mr. Spears has said again and again, all he wants is what is best for his daughter. If Ms. Spears wants to terminate the conservatorship and believes that she can handle her own life, Mr. Spears believes that she should get that chance," the filing said.
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...is a blatant lie, because Britney Spears has been saying exactly that for months and her father has been actively resisting and openly disputing that ending the conservatorship is in her best interest. So, something external has to have recently changed his mind. But what?

Last we heard he seemed to be effectively demanding a certain amount of money to "quit", and I certainly hope Spears and/or her estate did not reward that extortion by agreeing to pay. Although if she did indeed make that decision, it is what it is - this may be her first act of financial self-determination.
 
Checkmite said:
Well, the evidence began pointing that way probably around ten years ago if not more.

But this looks like a total capitulation by Mr. Spears, and I'm confused by it. I do not believe for a moment that he spontaneously came to a realization on his own that the conservatorship needed to end. This:

"As Mr. Spears has said again and again, all he wants is what is best for his daughter. If Ms. Spears wants to terminate the conservatorship and believes that she can handle her own life, Mr. Spears believes that she should get that chance," the filing said.
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...is a blatant lie, because Britney Spears has been saying exactly that for months and her father has been actively resisting and openly disputing that ending the conservatorship is in her best interest. So, something external has to have recently changed his mind. But what?

Last we heard he seemed to be effectively demanding a certain amount of money to "quit", and I certainly hope Spears and/or her estate did not reward that extortion by agreeing to pay. Although if she did indeed make that decision, it is what it is - this may be her first act of financial self-determination.
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This will probably play out that
Media attention saved Britney Spears

"Free Britney" movement should get a lot of credit.

That, and a lot of money to hire the people to investigate, research, and (likely) prosecute.

I don't know for a fact what appears to have "changed" Jamie Spears' mind, but
I speculate and hypothesize:

There never was grounds to establish a conservatorship.

I hypothesize there's evidence to prove there was never substantive legal and medical grounds to establish Britney's (abusive) conservatorship. And, that's being made public on a grand scale.

The public is beginning to see the inner workings of crooked people & mechanisms.

Posted by Ernie Marsh about 2:25 a.m. Wed, 08 Sept 2021 (EDT)
 
Netflix released a teaser trailer today (21 Sep 2021) for their upcoming documentary, Britney vs Spears.

The teaser trailer contains audio from a voicemail from Britney Spears to a lawyer on January 21st, 2009 at 12:29 a.m.

Audio from Britney's voicemail says:

“Hi. My name is Britney Spears. I called you earlier. I’m calling again because I just wanted to make sure that during the process of eliminating the conservatorship…”​


Netflix has done two, revealing videos about abusive guardianships: Dirty Money: Guardians, Inc., and, I Care a Lot.

Tremendous insight and culturally and historically significant also about abusive conservatorship/guardianships is also seen in, Framing Britney Spears (The New York Times, released 5 Feb 2021), and The Guardians (Billie Mintz, released 02 May 2018).

I look forward to see what Netflix will do in, Britney vs Spears. That trailer is due to be released Wednesday, 22 September 2021. I'm waiting to hear the release date for the documentary.
 
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INSIGHT INTO THE ABUSIVE CONSERVATORSHIP IS RAMPING UP

Controlling Britney Spears, a new documentary, will be released tonight, Friday, Sept. 24, 10 p.m. ET, on FX and streaming on Hulu.

The New York Times says about Controlling Britney Spears,
"reveals a portrait of an intense surveillance apparatus that monitored every move the pop star made." [1]​

The new film is made by the makers of the Emmy-nominated, Framing Britney Spears, and will have exclusive interviews with people who have first-hand knowledge of the court-sanctioned conservatorship.

Netflix will air another documentary, Britney vs Spears, on Sept. 28.

Source:

[1] 'Controlling Britney Spears' Reveals New Details of Her Life Under Conservatorship. The New York Times. (24 Sept. 2021)
 
A CNN Special Report to air Sunday, Sept. 26:

Learn all about Britney Spears and her fight to win control of her own life. Watch
CNN Special Report: Toxic – Britney Spears’ Battle For Freedom
Sunday at 8 p.m. ET [1]​

First air date: September 26, at 8 p.m. ET, on CNN
The one-hour special will re-air on Sunday, October 3, at 9 p.m. ET, on CNN

"Reported by CNN Anchor Alisyn Camerota and CNN Entertainment Reporter Chloe Melas," according to the CNN Press Room article.

The report also examines critical conversations around tabloid culture, mental health, and the treatment of women in media sparked by Spears’ battle. [2]​

The CNN Press Room announcement mentions the special will include:
...an array of voices, from lawmakers proposing protections for those under conservatorships and actors familiar with the scrutiny of Hollywood, to expert attorneys and the staff closest to Spears over the years.​

Per the CNN Press Room announcement, interviews include:
  • actors Mischa Barton and Rosie O’Donnell
  • House Representatives Charlie Crist (D-FL) and Nancy Mace (R-SC)
  • the founders of the #FreeBritney movement
  • conservator expert attorney Lisa MacCarley
  • award-winning journalists Ronan Farrow and Jia Tolentino
  • and several team members who were close to Spears from the beginning of her career through the start of her conservatorship
Attorney Lisa MacCarley is quoted in an online news article saying,
“After being in a conservatorship that started with violations of Ms. Spears’ constitutional rights for over 13 years, I believe that the Court is mandated to dissolve the conservatorship as soon as possible. In all likelihood, Ms. Spears will walk out of this hearing with the legal ability to make decisions for herself about her career, finances, medical treatment, her prenuptial agreement, and other legal matters.” [3]​

Attorney MacCarley filed a Supplement To: Petition to Terminate Conservatorship of the Person and Estate; Declaration of Lisa MacCarley, with the Superior Court of the State of California, County of Los Angeles, Central District. [4]

In the filing, attorney MacCarley states,
3. The primary purpose of this brief and supplement is to educate the Court, counsel, and the general public as to the numerous reasons that the Conservatorship of Britney Jean Spears must be terminated. It is hoped that the documents, explanations, and arguments presented in this brief will be informative and elicit cogent responses from all three branches of government.

4. The secondary purpose of this brief is to request that California Governor Gavin Newsom, California Chief Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye, the Judicial Council of California, and the State Bar of California immediately convene a public hearing to discern exactly how it came to be that the entirety of the Los Angeles County Superior Court's Probate Department (heron after, "the Probate Dept.") ran roughshod over Ms. Spears' constitutional rights, thus depriving her of life, liberty and property for over 13 years.​

Sources:

[1] @cnn (twitter). CNN Special Report: Toxic – Britney Spears’ Battle For Freedom

[2] CNN Special Report – Toxic: Britney Spears’ Battle For Freedom. CNN Press Room. (Sept. 20, 2021)

[3] MacCarley, Lisa. Lisa MacCarley, Los Angeles Probate and Conservatorship Attorney, to be Featured on CNN Special Report “Toxic: Britney Spears’ Battle for Freedom” (Sept. 24, 2021). globenewswire.com.

[4] MacCarley, Lisa. Supplement To: Petition to Terminate Conservatorship of the Person and Estate; Declaration of Lisa MacCarley. (Sept. 13, 2021). Google drive document. Case Number: BP108870.

Posted about 9:45 p.m. EDT on Friday, Sept. 24, 2021, by Ernie Marsh
 
I watched “The New York Times Presents” documentary series, titled “Framing Britney Spears.”

A good review is The Washington Post, ‘Controlling Britney Spears’: The 5 most shocking allegations from the bombshell new documentary, by Ashley Fetters Maloy, put online about 6:00 a.m. EDT, Sep 25, 2021.

Britney's iPhone and home were monitored.

The linked article says,

Vlasov also alleges in the documentary that Black Box installed audio recording devices in Spears’s home bedroom. (It’s unclear, a Times caption clarifies, whether the court was aware of or approved such a measure.) After the devices had captured more than 180 hours of audio footage of Spears’s interactions, including those with her boyfriend and children, Vlasov says, he was asked to delete all of Black Box’s recordings “days before she was due to meet with a court investigator.”

“Ethically, it was just one big mess,” Vlasov says. He made a copy of the audio and kept it.​

The documentary is an eye-opener into some actions of the original judge.

I can see more documentaries coming out as there is likely so much information, and likely more to come as the conservatorship progresses through the (broken) legal/justice system.
 
Ernie M said:
I watched “The New York Times Presents” documentary series, titled “Framing Britney Spears.”

A good review is The Washington Post, ‘Controlling Britney Spears’: The 5 most shocking allegations from the bombshell new documentary, by Ashley Fetters Maloy, put online about 6:00 a.m. EDT, Sep 25, 2021.
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Rolling Stone has a detailed summary too. The woman was literally a prisoner.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...tney-spears-fx-doc-things-we-learned-1231812/
 
Ernie M said:
This will probably play out that
Media attention saved Britney Spears

"Free Britney" movement should get a lot of credit.

That, and a lot of money to hire the people to investigate, research, and (likely) prosecute.

I don't know for a fact what appears to have "changed" Jamie Spears' mind, but
I speculate and hypothesize:

There never was grounds to establish a conservatorship.

I hypothesize there's evidence to prove there was never substantive legal and medical grounds to establish Britney's (abusive) conservatorship. And, that's being made public on a grand scale.

The public is beginning to see the inner workings of crooked people & mechanisms.

Posted by Ernie Marsh about 2:25 a.m. Wed, 08 Sept 2021 (EDT)
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The whole "voluntary" conservatorship thing stinks. How, exactly, can a person's mental state simultaneously be bad enough to require a conservatorship, and good enough that they can voluntarily consent to a conservatorship?
 
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The whole "voluntary" conservatorship thing stinks. How, exactly, can a person's mental state simultaneously be bad enough to require a conservatorship, and good enough that they can voluntarily consent to a conservatorship?
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As I recall, it started out as voluntary, then was quickly transformed to involuntary, possibly by violating the required legal procedures regarding notice and representation.
 
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As I recall, it started out as voluntary, then was quickly transformed to involuntary, possibly by violating the required legal procedures regarding notice and representation.
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I strongly suspect that when she was persuaded to sign whatever document was used to justify the "voluntary" conservatorship, she had no idea that, more than a decade later, it would still be controlling her life. I think she was strongarmed or hoodwinked into signing that document, and once the conservatorship was established, she was presumed to be incompetent to handle her own affairs, such that it became very difficult to get anybody who could make a difference to listen to her.

But as far as I'm concerned, I will hold to the idea that if a person is so incompetent that a conservator is required, they are not competent to voluntarily consent to the arrangement. I can't claim to say that the law in California doesn't allow such a thing, but if it does, it is a serious defect in the law.
 
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Bob001 said:
Ernie M said:
I watched “The New York Times Presents” documentary series, titled “Framing Britney Spears.”

A good review is The Washington Post, ‘Controlling Britney Spears’: The 5 most shocking allegations from the bombshell new documentary, by Ashley Fetters Maloy, put online about 6:00 a.m. EDT, Sep 25, 2021.
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Rolling Stone has a detailed summary too. The woman was literally a prisoner.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...tney-spears-fx-doc-things-we-learned-1231812/
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Bob001, Thank you for posting the RollingStone link, they detailed a good description of the Controlling Britney Spears documentary.

I want to make a correction to my post where I said I watched the “Framing Britney Spears" doc, which I did. But for the post that contained that, I meant to say I watched the Controlling Britney Spears, documentary.

Controlling Britney Spears contained some shocking information as to the extent of how controlling and intrusive this abusive conservatorship is.

I got the sense that Reva Garfunkel Goetz, the then-Los Angeles Superior Court Commissioner—who in 2008, signed-off on the conservatorship—behaved in immoral, unethical, and I infer, corrupt ways.
 
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Ernie M said:
This will probably play out that
Media attention saved Britney Spears

"Free Britney" movement should get a lot of credit.

That, and a lot of money to hire the people to investigate, research, and (likely) prosecute.

I don't know for a fact what appears to have "changed" Jamie Spears' mind, but
I speculate and hypothesize:

There never was grounds to establish a conservatorship.

I hypothesize there's evidence to prove there was never substantive legal and medical grounds to establish Britney's (abusive) conservatorship. And, that's being made public on a grand scale.

The public is beginning to see the inner workings of crooked people & mechanisms.

Posted by Ernie Marsh about 2:25 a.m. Wed, 08 Sept 2021 (EDT)
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The whole "voluntary" conservatorship thing stinks. How, exactly, can a person's mental state simultaneously be bad enough to require a conservatorship, and good enough that they can voluntarily consent to a conservatorship?
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I get the sense that greedy, cruel, and corrupt people, can do anything under the guise of an I care, I want what's best for you, I love you... conservatorship. Also, Britney wasn't at the 2008 hearing when then-Judge Reva G. Goetz signed off on the conservatorship. That gives a judge an 'out,' the judge, in this case, Reva G. Goetz, can point the finger that she ruled based on the information presented to her.

So some questions are, did Judge Goetz do her due diligence, did Goetz follow the rule of law, and did then-Judge Goetz fulfill her honorable power of judicial discretion???

Britney apparently was convinced into agreeing to the conservatorship.

California attorney Christopher C. Melcher said in an ABC News video,

Attorney Christopher Melcher
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This is what they’re calling a voluntary conservatorship. There was never a determination by the court that she was incapacitated. And so she was convinced into agreeing to it. And then now she’s finding a hard time getting out of it after all these thirteen years.

So it’s really remarkable that she would have understood the loss of liberty and freedom that she would have experienced now for thirteen years when this was initially placed on her. [1]​

I get the sense Britney was:
  • bullied
  • intimidated
  • coerced
  • extorted
  • a victim of undue influence
  • gaslit
  • presented with misleading information
  • had information withheld by her court-appointed attorneys
  • did not have legal due process
  • had her civil liberties violated
  • had her civil rights violated
Information was apparently withheld from Britney; such as whether Britney could retire, marry, or have children. Attorney Sam Ingham brought up some of those issues because of Britney's concerns. According to court documents from a 2014 hearing, then-Judge Reva G. Goetz said, “I don’t recall that we made any orders about the right to marry, but you may not want to tell her that.”

Per court transcripts, Ingham responded, “Somehow that did not come up in the conversation,” and moved on. [2]

There are many people and circumstances that led to the formation, implementation, execution, and continuation of Britney's abusive, exploitative, and highly-likely fraudulent, conservatorship.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Brenda Penny now oversees Britney Spears' case. So it's important to know if Judge Brenda Penny is doing her due diligence, following the rule of law, and fulfilling her honorable power of judicial discretion.

Sources:

[1] Davis, Linsey. “Britney Spears’ conservatorship ‘is a sinking ship’ at this point: Legal expert” ABC News. 13 July 2021. https[colon]//www[dot]youtube.com/watch?v=mVAThydya2Q

[2] Mercado, Mia. "How Much Is Britney’s Lawyer to Blame?" The Cut. 25 June 2021.

Posted by Ernie Marsh on Sunday, 26 Sep 2021 at about 6:12 p.m. EDT.
 
Ernie M said:
Information was apparently withheld from Britney; such as whether Britney could retire, marry, or have children.
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Tell me, for 13 years, how this information was "withheld"? Seriously, was she forbidden to go to library or to perform an internet search, or to talk to other human beings? I am serious about this.
 
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