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Free Britney!

Belz... said:
And he seems to be. He controls her entire fortune.
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Spears' fortune is estimated to be around $60 million as of this year, Forbes reported. Of the amount, $56.5 million is tied to real estate, investment accounts and business investments, and the rest is in cash, according to the outlet.
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Look at how her fortune is being "plundered", lol.

We can only imagine how much better she would be at handling it.
 
Belz... said:
And he seems to be. He controls her entire fortune.
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Whilst I still think she is a nutter and probably should have been sectioned at the time, it does look a bit odd, assuming she is no longer snorting.
 
cullennz said:
Whilst I still think she is a nutter and probably should have been sectioned at the time, it does look a bit odd, assuming she is no longer snorting.
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Even if she is, since when do we remove adults' ability to make their own decisions, unless they are a danger to others?
 
What people don't get is that adminstrators of an estate do get good fees (either agreed in advance or on a costs basis). It doesn't, however, follow that that person is heartlessly milking it. An ex-boss of mine had an historical case of a young woman who went into bankruptcy because of being in a vulnerable place due to a mental illness. He was on a good fee but this guy bent over backwards to try to give this client a break within the confines of the tough rules. Managed to stop the sale of her childhood home and I could see he felt sorry for her, despite all her angry letters claiming he was acting against her.

What I don't understand in the Britney case is how she was diagnosed with Alzheimers...? That sounds fishy to me. However, a key symptom of dementia is believing people are plotting against you. Not that I believe Britney Spears suffers from this.
 
Cain said:
Of course we can object to both, but the FreeBritney moral panic suggests virtually anything is better than the conservatorship, conveniently forgetting life before the conservatorship. We have people in this thread almost resigned to saying that if a Free Britney turns miserable and dies, well, c'est la vie.
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So that's it? You agree it's bad, but you've been going back and forth because too many people don't agree with you about how bad to think of it as?

That doesn't seem like something to have an extended argument over. You've pointed out that maybe something worse will happen to her. Is it important for you that people say they agree?
 
Vixen said:
What people don't get is that adminstrators of an estate do get good fees (either agreed in advance or on a costs basis). It doesn't, however, follow that that person is heartlessly milking it. An ex-boss of mine had an historical case of a young woman who went into bankruptcy because of being in a vulnerable place due to a mental illness. He was on a good fee but this guy bent over backwards to try to give this client a break within the confines of the tough rules. Managed to stop the sale of her childhood home and I could see he felt sorry for her, despite all her angry letters claiming he was acting against her.

What I don't understand in the Britney case is how she was diagnosed with Alzheimers...? That sounds fishy to me. However, a key symptom of dementia is believing people are plotting against you. Not that I believe Britney Spears suffers from this.
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The Alzheimers thing: Now that she has her own lawyer: Fiduciary misconduct, judicial misconduct, and medical fraud are among the things Daddy and co might likely be facing down the barrel of.
 
It seems to me that for a fee that high you could get a really top notch estate and/or talent manager. Is there any reason to believe her dad is the right guy for the job? He’s not crashing it into the ground or anything but how’s that performance compare to what a career professional could do?
 
Vixen said:
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What I don't understand in the Britney case is how she was diagnosed with Alzheimers...?
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She was never diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Her father claimed she had dementia (Alzheimer's is one form) in 2008 to justify the conservatorship.
Jamie became a co-conservator, sharing duties with a lawyer named Andrew Wallet, who was appointed by the court. On the petition to establish the arrangement, Jamie or someone working with him checked a box indicating that Spears had dementia.
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare


Also from the link:
California requires that conservatees be given five days’ notice before a conservatorship takes effect, but this can be bypassed if a judge decides that they could suffer “immediate and substantial harm.” Goetz appointed a probate lawyer named Sam Ingham as Spears’s advocate, and then granted the conservators’ petition to waive the requirement to notify her that any of this was happening. Ingham remains in the role; Spears covers his annual salary of five hundred and twenty thousand dollars.
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(We know he quit very recently.)
 
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Cain said:
As for Spears, we do not know the extent of her mental illness, so people are reduced to saying that performing dance moves while pretending to sing is evidence enough of capacity. That certainly counts for something in my non-expert opinion, but there's an unknown medical history.
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In order to perform dance moves while pretending to sing in the venues and context that Britney has/does, I'd guess that she has to do a lot more than what merely shows up on stage. I would think there are a lot of logistics and planning and rehearsals and fixing issues in rehearsals, etc., to work through.
 
Bob001 said:
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(We know he quit very recently.)
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I do wonder if some of those that have benefited by her conservatorship are now concerned that if the conservatorship is lifted she might decide to pursue them through the courts?

Over half a million a year? To do what?

I'd certainly keep them tied up in the courts for a few years, let them have concerns their future may be taken out of their hands to an extent.
 
Paul2 said:
In order to perform dance moves while pretending to sing in the venues and context that Britney has/does, I'd guess that she has to do a lot more than what merely shows up on stage. I would think there are a lot of logistics and planning and rehearsals and fixing issues in rehearsals, etc., to work through.
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I couldn't hum any of her songs, as I mostly just know her name and face... but does she really not sing live?
 
Belz... said:
I couldn't hum any of her songs, as I mostly just know her name and face... but does she really not sing live?
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I don't know, but I was only trying to say that, even if she doesn't sing live, there's still a lot of things to do besides what you see on stage in order for the audience to see what they see on stage.
 
Darat said:
I do wonder if some of those that have benefited by her conservatorship are now concerned that if the conservatorship is lifted she might decide to pursue them through the courts?

Over half a million a year? To do what?

I'd certainly keep them tied up in the courts for a few years, let them have concerns their future may be taken out of their hands to an extent.
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She has already said that she wants her father to go to jail. And her new lawyer is an ex-federal prosecutor.
 
Bob001 said:
She has already said that she wants her father to go to jail. And her new lawyer is an ex-federal prosecutor.
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Probably be better if her lawyer was an expert in these kinds of guardianship arrangements and not criminal law, but maybe this former fed will subcontract out to the appropriate folks.
 
Darat said:
I do wonder if some of those that have benefited by her conservatorship are now concerned that if the conservatorship is lifted she might decide to pursue them through the courts?

Over half a million a year? To do what?

I'd certainly keep them tied up in the courts for a few years, let them have concerns their future may be taken out of their hands to an extent.
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She has stated in her last Court hearing she wanted to press charges against Daddy, so likely.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Probably be better if her lawyer was an expert in these kinds of guardianship arrangements and not criminal law, but maybe this former fed will subcontract out to the appropriate folks.
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I read in one of today's articles he's pretty highly regarded as a litigator, so Daddy's days may well be numbered. Britney has emphatically stated she wants Daddy out of her life and yeah, in Jail. He deserves a special place in hell for doing this to his own daughter this long.
 
I doesn't matter. If Britney makes it through this all she has to look forward to is a bunch of people emotionally invested in her failing so they can be the "Itoldyaso" guy or just because we get too much sadistic glee out of watching celebrities fail.

Poor girl still won't get peace. People will treat her like crap and root for her to fail because "LOL she's a celebrity she's rich and famous what does she have to complain about..."
 
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