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Free Britney!

Cain said:
She makes far more in royalties than what she pays this guy.
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I don't think you quite understand what a conservatorship is.

She does not pay this guy. She cannot do anything with her own money, without this guy's explicit permission. This guy, pays this guy. And is also authorized to spend her money on things that coincidentally benefit himself independently of his "salary".
 
deadrose said:
Did I say my ex wasn't in conservatorship? His brother is in charge of his money and other things. This is how he managed to get out of jail and into supportive housing instead of his usual cycle of release and arrest (for fighting, vagrancy, etc).

Also we have no idea what Spears may have done outside of the public eye.
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Oh, I think if she had done anything dramatically worse than we know about, we would know about that, too. She's never really been outside the public eye; the people who make money from her have every incentive to make her look as deranged as they can.
 
JoeMorgue said:
90% of our rock gods spent the entire 60s/70s/80s/90s in drug filled stupors destroying their lives and barely (or even not at all) surviving it and nobody decided to put Keith Moon or Ozzy or whoever in a state of permanent legal childhood "for their own good" so... yeah this code ain't compiling for me.
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Ozzie's dad let him go to jail for his own good.
It worked!
 
For the sake of argument, let's say that Britney is too unstable to manage her own affairs and needs a conservator.

Is there any good reason why it should remain this conservator? Delusional or not, Spears seems quite clearly to believe that the current set of supervisors do not have her best interests in mind. An atmosphere of open adversity surely is not one that serves her well.

Seems that another conservator from an unpoisoned well could just as easily look after her interests.

Unless, of course, you think that the current crop of supervisors really, really don't want to give up their cash cow to someone else.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
For the sake of argument, let's say that Britney is too unstable to manage her own affairs and needs a conservator.

Is there any good reason why it should remain this conservator? Delusional or not, Spears seems quite clearly to believe that the current set of supervisors do not have her best interests in mind. An atmosphere of open adversity surely is not one that serves her well.

Seems that another conservator from an unpoisoned well could just as easily look after her interests.

Unless, of course, you think that the current crop of supervisors really, really don't want to give up their cash cow to someone else.
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I don't want to engage in hyperbole here, but her situation's way too close to slavery for my tastes. She's treated like a small child, at best. Is that really necessary? Plenty of people are irresponsible with their lives and don't get this treatment.
 
Belz... said:
Plenty of people are irresponsible with their lives and don't get this treatment.
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There is a vast difference between being "irresponsible" and being "mentally ill".

We really don't know how sick she is. We do know she is refusing to get evaluated, again. Apparently the other evaluations didn't exactly help her cause.
 
Warp12 said:
There is a vast difference between being "irresponsible" and being "mentally ill".

We really don't know how sick she is. We do know she is refusing to get evaluated, again. Apparently the other evaluations didn't exactly help her cause.
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Which others?
 
Warp12 said:
There is a vast difference between being "irresponsible" and being "mentally ill".
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Is there really? There are a LOT of different mental illnesses, and not all of them make you irresponsible.

Plenty of people are mentally ill and don't get this treatment. You still haven't addressed the core of my post.
 
Darat said:
Which others?
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Obviously there have been others. She mentions it in the transcript.

But, the telling thing is...she is refusing to be evaluated again. If you want out so bad, and are mentally sound, why refuse an evaluation?

"I want out of this mental hospital. But, I refuse any evaluation that might deem me sane".
 
deadrose said:
Did I say my ex wasn't in conservatorship? His brother is in charge of his money and other things. This is how he managed to get out of jail and into supportive housing instead of his usual cycle of release and arrest (for fighting, vagrancy, etc).

Also we have no idea what Spears may have done outside of the public eye.
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Was your ex a gazzillionaire celebrity, I doubt it.
 
Belz... said:
I don't want to engage in hyperbole here, but her situation's way too close to slavery for my tastes. She's treated like a small child, at best. Is that really necessary? Plenty of people are irresponsible with their lives and don't get this treatment.
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It basically IS a form of slavery, she wants to retire and apparently settle down, and her daddy and parasite team are fighting to prevent it. Ie: forcing her to work, ie: slavery, as mandated by the court system. Slavery is illegal? ********.
 
Warp12 said:
There is a vast difference between being "irresponsible" and being "mentally ill".

We really don't know how sick she is. We do know she is refusing to get evaluated, again. Apparently the other evaluations didn't exactly help her cause.
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There are millions of folks out there with mental illness, dealing with it in such a way that they have their lives, she does NOT need a conservatorship of her person if she can hold a job, be a joint parent, etc. The people here not seeing this for what is are the reason this was likely possible in the first place. Unless you're a drooling cripple who cant dress themselves, there's no reason for a conservatorship of the person, it's just too open for abuse.
 
Warp12 said:
Obviously there have been others. She mentions it in the transcript.

But, the telling thing is...she is refusing to be evaluated again. If you want out so bad, and are mentally sound, why refuse an evaluation?

"I want out of this mental hospital. But, I refuse any evaluation that might deem me sane".
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I would want to hear more. But I can see a potential general argument here. "Sane" of course is not a binary, so for this context possibly better to say "capable of managing her own life, or choosing the terms of her own assistance."

Maybe she shouldn't have to prove she's capable--maybe someone proposing to control her life for her, against her will, should have to prove that she is not. If I were to be designing the laws around this I would be very interested in making it something that expires and has to be periodically renewed, like every two years or something like that, each time having to demonstrate in court the continued need.
 
Warp12 said:
Obviously there have been others. She mentions it in the transcript.
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How do you know what were the results of those evaluations?
Warp12 said:
But, the telling thing is...she is refusing to be evaluated again. If you want out so bad, and are mentally sound, why refuse an evaluation?

"I want out of this mental hospital. But, I refuse any evaluation that might deem me sane".
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The "telling thing" is that she doesn't have the legal power to refuse such an evaluation. She may not cooperate with such an evaluation, but her conservators may at any time decide that she should have one.
 
Warp12 said:
Obviously there have been others. She mentions it in the transcript.

But, the telling thing is...she is refusing to be evaluated again. If you want out so bad, and are mentally sound, why refuse an evaluation?

"I want out of this mental hospital. But, I refuse any evaluation that might deem me sane".
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Yes, I agree. It seems to me she should accept a (probably new) evaluation by a psychiatrist, and try to convince him/her that her conservatorship should end, or at least be partly relaxed.

I suspect she is slightly arrogant, and trying to use her superstar status to try to impose a certain decision she likes without the normal evaluation process.

Britney Spears Doesn't Want Mental Health Evaluation 'Because She Doesn't Have Trust' for Her Doctors: Source

A source close to the situation tells PEOPLE in this week's issue that the pop superstar — who wants her conservatorship to end without a mental health evaluation — feels that her doctors "failed her" in the past
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(https://people.com/music/britney-sp...ion-doesnt-have-trust-for-her-doctors-source/)
 
Michel H said:
Yes, I agree. It seems to me she should accept a (probably new) evaluation by a psychiatrist, and try to convince him/her that her conservatorship should end, or at least be partly relaxed.
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Has it occured to you that the reason she doesn't want one is that she tried that before but the doctor would rather believe her conservator?
 
Darat said:
The "telling thing" is that she doesn't have the legal power to refuse such an evaluation. She may not cooperate with such an evaluation, but her conservators may at any time decide that she should have one.
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She asked, in court, to be released without being required to have an evaluation. She said she doesn't want another evaluation.

Nothing more to talk about on that. Interpret it however you like.
 
Belz... said:
Has it occured to you that the reason she doesn't want one is that she tried that before but the doctor would rather believe her conservator?
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That's one theory that you could use to build a conspiracy case. Have at it.
 
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