Franko and Deism.org

[MRC_Hans]

I normally on principle take virtual persons on face value. It is one of the features of the internet that we cannot know the correlation between physical and virtual identities. But there is no reason to distinguish between them. I'm just now running a long discussion where they appear interchangeably.

I agree that the real Franko has a problem. But he is also a problem on this board, because he tends to hijack certain threads. If we could all agree on only reacting to his posts when they were civil and sensible, then maybe......

Hans

 

[Franko]

Diet Reasoned-out

One free will decision does not make any sense. Either we have free will, by what ever definition you may wish to use, or we don’t. This is an obvious contradiction to other things you posted today.

Well good ... since I am so full of contradictions I would recommend you move along and harass some other Non-believer in your One True Faith.

 

[Franko]

The evidence for Wraith being Franko is all circumstantial, but there is a great deal of it. Read his first posts. Also read Franko's posts from just before the appearance of Wraith.

Coming from you ... the irony is so thick it is touching.

Why are you sooo obsessed with me diet-reasonedout/dorman?

Don't you have a life you should be living? I suggest you enjoy yourself while you can, and stop wasting time with crazy theists and deists who obviously aren't as well informed about the nature of reality as You are ...

 

[Franko]

MRC_Hans,

I agree that the real Franko has a problem. But he is also a problem on this board

Ohh, you are just such a little cuttie-pie today. All this projecting of your feelings ...

... thank you for sharing Sweetheart. Would you like to come over and cook dinner for me? Maybe if you are nice I'll let you clean the bathroom?

 

[Doubt]

Diet Reasoned-out



Well good ... since I am so full of contradictions I would recommend you move along and harass some other Non-believer in your One True Faith.

Pointing out your inconsistencies could become a hobby.

When did my agnosticism become the "one true faith"?

Diet Reasoned out? Now you are stealing other people's insults. Who was it that came up with Franko lite? You really need to get a new act. Your current fantasy is stale. I recommend you join a UFO cult, that way you never have to worry about evidence again.

 

[Franko]

Diet Reasoned out?

Doubt = Dorman? = Diet Reasoned Out

Now you are stealing other people's insults.

Why is their another Diet Reasoned Out on the forum already?

Who was it that came up with Franko lite?

Is that a beer or soda or something?

You really need to get a new act.

Looks who’s talking. Why do you follow me around DRO? What is your fascination with me and my beliefs? You look so obsessive the way you feel you must respond to every single one of my posts, and how you only show your face in this forum when I am here. You should be careful … people will begin to think that you are just my sock-puppet. Someone I just made up to make the Atheists look foolish and desperate.

Your current fantasy is stale.

I am only a figment of your imagination, so really it is your fantasy that is stale.

Besides … if this were really true, why are you still following me around? Who is really full of contradictions Diet-Reasoned-out? Who do you think is fooled by your obsessive posts?

I recommend you join a UFO cult, that way you never have to worry about evidence again.

Looks who’s talking – free-will-boy!

Tell your shrink about the UFO’s next time you visit her.

 

[hammegk]

Someone I just made up to make the Atheists look foolish and desperate.

No one person could possibly babble as much and say as little as what "appears" to be a group of materialists=atheists.

Although you might be able to move a few names to "doubting"; not that it would make a difference, of course...

 

[Franko]

No one person could possibly babble as much and say as little as what "appears" to be a group of materialists=atheists.

A Dumbness of A-Theists

That's like a Gaggle of Geese?

Or a Murder of Crows?

... am I using it correctly?

 

[hammegk]

... am I using it correctly?

Sure.

I've tried to get an analogy out of kicking an anthill but that didn't work because ants
before a disturbance appear to be co-operating in some understood, common, goal.

Shall we consider an ant "anarchist"? LOL.

 

[Franko]

hehehe ... You seriously crack me up Mr. Hand ...

 

[Doubt]

Looks who’s talking. Why do you follow me around DRO?

You can stop worrying about me in several ways:

1.) Stop hijacking threads.
2.) Start backing up your assertions. (Female Goddess, etc.)
3.) Stop building strawmen to argue with. (Me being atheist, for example.0
4.) Admit when you change your mind.
5.) GO AWAY

The last one is the easiest to do.

 

[Franko]

Doubt (a.k.a. Diet Reasoned-Out)

You can stop worrying about me in several ways:

don’t flatter yourself.

1.) Stop hijacking threads.

This thread is titled: Franko and Deism.org.

Did I hijack this one? How about all the others that mention me specifically by name?

2.) Start backing up your assertions. (Female Goddess, etc.)

Why? Obviously you have already decided I am just another Religious nut, so explain why you care what I believe?

3.) Stop building strawmen to argue with. (Me being atheist, for example.0

I’ve noticed that you A-Theists all like to scream “STRAWMAN” in almost every post, but you have NO IDEA what that term really means. None of you ever explain what the actual “strawman” is? Is it a strawman that your nutty Religion is based on a bogus belief in the fantasy of “free will”? Is it a strawman that positive and negative reinforcement is tried and true science?

Spare me your nonsense Diet-Doubt.

4.) Admit when you change your mind.

Can you do the same A-Theist?

5.) GO AWAY

◊◊◊◊ YOU!

If you left this forum Doubt … who would even notice. Obviously a lot of people around here are interesting in talking with me or about me (based solely on all the aforementioned threads bearing my name).

But as You are well aware, Solipsism is TRUE, and therefore you can speak for everyone here! If you don’t want to listen to my words, if they are driving you insane, I suggest you stop whining about Freedom of Speech and quietly place me on your ignore list.

The last one is the easiest to do.

Once again Diet-Doubt, take your own advice – get on some medication, see a shrink, whine about your sorry Fate, and most of all GO AWAY!!!

 

[Doubt]

Doubt (a.k.a. Diet Reasoned-Out)

I’ve noticed that you A-Theists all like to scream “STRAWMAN” in almost every post, but you have NO IDEA what that term really means. None of you ever explain what the actual “strawman” is? Is it a strawman that your nutty Religion is based on a bogus belief in the fantasy of “free will”? Is it a strawman that positive and negative reinforcement is tried and true science?

Every time you make an argument up for someone else, you have built a strawman. You do this just about every day you post here.

◊◊◊◊ YOU!

The melt down is close at hand. Profanity shows you are running out of ammo again.

But as You are well aware, Solipsism is TRUE, and therefore you can speak for everyone here! If you don’t want to listen to my words, if they are driving you insane, I suggest you stop whining about Freedom of Speech and quietly place me on your ignore list.

Solipism is your argument, not mine. You have a pathological need to pin your fear on everyone else. Hense, the use of strawmen. You are the "Master Solipsist". I know of no one else here who has ever assumed solipism to be true.

Should I point our more of your contradictions?
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[Checkmite]

Doubt (a.k.a. Diet Reasoned-Out)

This thread is titled: Franko and Deism.org.

Did I hijack this one? How about all the others that mention me specifically by name?

Of course you have every reason to post in this thread, especially since it mentions you by name. When he's talking about hijacking threads, he's talking about instances like what you tried to do in this thread. It started off as a discussion simply about how to form proper syllogisms; you ignored the intent and tried to turn it into a debate about whether (sigh) we "obey" the laws of physics.

I’ve noticed that you A-Theists all like to scream “STRAWMAN” in almost every post, but you have NO IDEA what that term really means. None of you ever explain what the actual “strawman” is?

A "Strawman" argument is when you misrepresent a person's argument in order to make it easier to attack. It's when you put words in peoples' mouths. Here's an example of a strawman argument from you, from the Direct Questions thread which you seem to have run away from:

I said, "The laws of physics describe the chemicals' atoms' nature. It doesn't tell them to "turn this way and not that way" - they do it by themselves, because it is their nature."

You said, "So can you demonstrate an atom NOT obeying the Laws of Physics? What is your evidence that Atoms have “free will”? Are you also claiming that Atoms are conscious now? How do conscious Atoms imply a Non-conscious TLOP?"

If you read my statement again, you'll notice that I did not say atoms have free will, or that they are conscious. I said that they behave according to their nature, which is described but not dictated by the laws of physics. You put words in my mouth.

Another example of a strawman argument is when you purposefully misrepresent me by calling me an atheist. Apparently, this makes me easier to include when you talk about "all the evil atheists". You're not fooling anyone with this assertion, as everyone knows that I quite clearly believe in God - and you've seen me argue for the God hypothesis before. The inside joke that everyone here but you seems to get is that you say your religion is based on "logic", and nothing more...yet you have no qualms when it comes to using logically fallacious arguments, such as "Solipsism is true because it cannot be easily proven false."

Is it a strawman that your nutty Religion is based on a bogus belief in the fantasy of “free will”?

Yes.

Is it a strawman that positive and negative reinforcement is tried and true science?

Yes.

If you left this forum Doubt … who would even notice. Obviously a lot of people around here are interesting in talking with me or about me (based solely on all the aforementioned threads bearing my name).

Just about you. Talking with you is like trying to "disobey the laws of physics".

But as You are well aware, Solipsism is TRUE,

Proof? You can't get away from this one - you are out-right claiming Solipsism is true. Support yourself with evidence.

 

[Franko]

Diet doubt

Every time you make an argument up for someone else, you have built a strawman. You do this just about every day you post here.

yeah … well … as we all KNOW, A-Theists don’t actually make ANY claims, so you have to tell them what they believe.

The melt down is close at hand. Profanity shows you are running out of ammo again.

… Or maybe it just makes it clear that I have almost no respect for you Doubt?

Solipism is your argument, not mine.

… Actually there is no Me, so you are the Solipsist. This conversation is just as imagined as the “matter”.

You have a pathological need to pin your fear on everyone else.

You are projecting YET AGAIN. I fear nothing, I don’t exist.

Hense, the use of strawmen.

You and your invisible strawmen …

You are the "Master Solipsist".

Actually that is you if you are reading this.

I know of no one else here who has ever assumed solipism to be true.

That is because no one else here exist except the person reading this.

Should I point our more of your contradictions?

They are only contradictions in your mind.

I think you should run along and play with the other A-Theists, before you cease to exist.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Ohh, you are just such a little cuttie-pie today. All this projecting of your feelings ...

... thank you for sharing Sweetheart. Would you like to come over and cook dinner for me? Maybe if you are nice I'll let you clean the bathroom?

Ohh, Franko, this is really what you are best at. No difficult logic, no risk of those nasty logic traps. Just plain spreading bad memes, thats what you do so well.

Nevertheless, I will thank you for a nice game. It wasnt exacly pleasant, but hey, interesting it was. Have fun!

(Unfortunately, I have just imagined you dont have dinner tonite, sorry! And as you have no free will to decide, I guess you'll have to clean your bathroom yourself)

But if you behave nice I promise I wont stop imagining you totally.

Hans

 

[Franko]

MRC,

Ohh, Franko, this is really what you are best at. No difficult logic, no risk of those nasty logic traps. Just plain spreading bad memes, thats what you do so well.

Intrinsically I am still that same Hellspawn that I have always been. And if not for my Goddess, I would have the same Fate as any other Demon.

Nevertheless, I will thank you for a nice game. It wasnt exacly pleasant, but hey, interesting it was. Have fun!

I hope this means we are done playing.

(Unfortunately, I have just imagined you dont have dinner tonite, sorry! And as you have no free will to decide, I guess you'll have to clean your bathroom yourself)

But if you behave nice I promise I wont stop imagining you totally.

I am but the humble figment. Glad to be of service.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I hope this means we are done playing.

So do I

I am but the humble figment. Glad to be of service.

Your sense of humor has always been your best side.

Good luck, mate!

Hans

 

[Franko]

Good luck, mate!

... And to you my Friend. I wish you no ill fortune.

 

[CWL]

Doubt,

... and how exactly does that PROVE the existence of "free willy"?

When are you going to violate the Laws of Physics for us?

This is ridiculous. It is the same as asking "when are you going to do something that is impossible for us".

"Free will" if defined as "the ability to make conscious choices between available options" is not in contradiciton with being constrained by or "obeying" if you will the laws of physics.

Back to the drawing board Franko. This one (whatever it is you are trying to prove) just doesn't work.