Ed Fox: Osama Bin Laden Is Our Only Hope

[eeyore1954]

So a prominent conservative Republican commentator openly calls for Osama bin Laden to attack the United States, and you're pissed because someone made an offhand crack about Sarah Palin's daughter having a kid out of wedlock.

If anything here is pathetic, it's your sense of priorities.

Maybe "you guys" need to clean up your own frelling house before telling everyone else not to track mud in theirs.

He didn't call for Bin Laden to attack America and it wasn't Beck who said it. Although his comment could cause some nut to think I will "save" America by staging a terrorist attack and hoping it gets blamed on Muslims.

 

[eeyore1954]

Fear and greed? I would say that is a key source of momentum for both parties.

PASS THE FRICKEN STIMULUS NOW OR ELSE THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES, THE EARMARKS CANT WAIT!

True both parties used fear to pass big bills (TARP and the stimulus).
If fact Bush's claims of immediate doom and gloom were much worse than when Obama's stimulus bill was passed.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

You really think Scheuer WANTS the USA to suffer a major terrorist attack?

Give me a break. He is a brave American and loves this country.

Can't really think what makes Scheuer all that brave. I know he ran a 'Find Bin Laden' operation and then started hanging out with Ron Paul (Whilst declaring that the attacks of 9/11 were America's own fault).

 

[thaiboxerken]

Maybe it's brave to say stupid nonsense on national tv.

 

[dudalb]

Can't really think what makes Scheuer all that brave. I know he ran a 'Find Bin Laden' operation and then started hanging out with Ron Paul (Whilst declaring that the attacks of 9/11 were America's own fault).

In other words, a bureaucrat who failed in his mission was forced out of his job, and then in his anger went over to the Other Side. Nothing new about that.

 

[dudalb]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

 

[dudalb]

What Scheuer said really isn't insane. Another attack by OBL would almost certainly drive Americans out of their minds further than the last time, more than ever willing to ignore Constitutional limits on government power, in addition to adding fervor to get OBL.

What is possibly insane is the wistful gleam in the eyes of neocons at the prospect of such an opportunity. It's not clear to me that Scheuer shares that extreme view though the clip seems to indicate the possibility. Despite his well justified criticism of the WOT, he's always clearly been a hawk.

Out of curiosity, what shoudl we have done after 9/11? Just forget about it with a UN resolution?
If a lot of conservative are super hawks,then a lot of libertals in their hearts of hearts want peace talks with Al Quida.

 

[thaiboxerken]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

What do you base this absurd claim on?

 

[shecky]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

This is a silly thing to say for a few reasons. Is Scheuer isolationist? Leftist isolationists make no secret about their isolationist leanings. Furthermore, isolationism isn't a staple position of the left. And it seems to be as much a part of the right as the left.

Out of curiosity, what shoudl we have done after 9/11? Just forget about it with a UN resolution?

This seems to have been hashed out pretty clearly by now. The answer seems to involve going after OBL and the folks behind 9/11, and staying out of Iraq.

If a lot of conservative are super hawks,then a lot of libertals in their hearts of hearts want peace talks with Al Quida.

You're making no sense. If a lot of conservatives are "super hawks", it has no bearing on whether a lot of liberals want peace talks with AQ. Furthermore, while I can point to many conservatives who are very actively foreign policy hawks, I can't think of anyone who has advocated peace talks with AQ. I'm not sure anyone even knows how such a thing could be carried out.

The window for swift justice for 9/11 has long since passed. Increasingly (and quite reasonably), folks will resign to just giving up on the whole endeavor as time passses. Unless AQ makes another attack as Scheurer suggests.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

Projecting or wishful thinking?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Your thread title reveals typical maximum bias with minimal information.
FOX News did not say "OBL is our only hope." The Media Matters excerpt has to be your only contact with FOX News.

By that standard, FN has never said anything. Only the people on FN ever say anything.

 

[GreyICE]

By that standard, FN has never said anything. Only the people on FN ever say anything.

Ah you grasp it! And the fact that Fox news only has on people who say certain viewpoints is just a long-running coincidence. And you know that it's silly for any good skeptic to say anything else. I mean they coincidentally have O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck, and they coincidentally bring on batguano insane guests and their hosts coincidentally agree with them. Also I didn't wear any shoes when I went walking in the rain and coincidentally my feet got wet.

 

[Cicero]

By that standard, FN has never said anything. Only the people on FN ever say anything.

Michael Scheuer is the CBS News Terrorism Analyst. Is CBS saying what Scheuer says? Here he is on the NPR Diane Rehm Show. Is NPR saying what Scheuer says?


http://wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/03.php

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Michael Scheuer is the CBS News Terrorism Analyst. Is CBS saying what Scheuer says? Here he is on the NPR Diane Rehm Show. Is NPR saying what Scheuer says?


http://wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/03.php

If you had a link to the transcript I could comment, but I'm not going to listen to the audio version as it is too long. It would depend on the views Scheuer expressed in the interview and on the reaction Rehm had to his views.

Beck nodded in agreement with Scheuer and Scheuer's viewpoint in this case was consistent with Fox's consistent NeoCon position.

 

[Marc39]

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Dr.Marc Lamont Hill,
Dr. Michael Eric Dyson,
Jane Fleming,
Mora Liasson,
Jane Hall,
Geraldo,
Kirsten Powers,
Ellis Henican,
Marvin Kalb,
Al Sharpton,
Lanny Davis,
Amy Stoddard,
Flavia Colvin,
Mort Kondracke,
Juan Williams,
Rachel Sklar,

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Such a mixture of political POVs is no doubt a key reason that a Pew research study found a significant segment of Fox's audience is comprised of Dems and Indies. Fox would not be the ratings leader, by a massive margin, by merely being an outlet for the RNC.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Help me, OB Laden, you're our only hope!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That is crazy. I would like to say that you and GreyIce must know what you are saying is crazy, but I have my doubts.

Are you at all able to distinguish between the comments made by guests on a show and those made by the presenter?

The evidence seems to suggest not.

Don't lump me in with my arch enemies.

Of course Fox is not represented by every comment uttered on its station. If you read what I posted that is not what I said. I was rebutting the argument that they were not represented by any person speaking on the station.


In this particular case, Beck agreed with him and Beck is a Fox program that does represent their political point of view. Which brings up another issue. See my next post.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Help me, OB Laden, you're our only hope!

Well played.

 

[quixotecoyote]

Help me, OB Laden, you're our only hope!

So it was said, let it be done....

 

[Dancing David]

So it was said, let it be done....

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Bravo!