Fox News attacks the Free Press

jj said:
Well, I'll say it again, I'm simply reporting what I picked up from the times that I tuned past. What I'm reporting is not "my opinion", either, it's the claims they were making.

I have to admit I don't usually watch Faux news at all. Are they always like that?
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I can't comment because I don't honestly know what you are talking about. There is a lot to critisize on FOX News. How that relates to this incident I can't tell.
 
BPSCG said:
Brit: "So Fred, what do you thinkk of the Times?"
Fred: "They're bad, Brit."
Brit: "Morton, anything to add to that?"
Morton: "Yes; I think the Times is bad."
Brit: "Mara?"
Mara: "The Times is a bad paper, Brit, bad."
Brit: "I see; Juan, what's your take on this?"
Juan: "Brit, I need to add here that the Times is bad."
Brit: "All right then. Juan, what is it about the Times that's bad?"
Juan: "Well, Brit, here you have this bad paper, and they just do bad things, so they're bad."
Brit: "Mara..."
Mara: "The baddest thing about it is just how badly bad it is."
Brit: "When we come back, we'll get into further discussion about why the Times is bad. And our call-in line is already lit up with viewer reaction; when we get back, we'll talk with regular viewer "jj" from Seattle, who wants to get something off his chest. You're watching Fox News"
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:D Sorry jj but that is funny and I think it illustrates the problem we are having. This is actually pretty much how I invision the story went based on what you have said happened. New York times is bad.
 
RandFan said:
:D Sorry jj but that is funny and I think it illustrates the problem we are having. This is actually pretty much how I invision the story went based on what you have said happened. New York times is bad.
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Actually, it's not too far off the mark. More words, but not a heck of a lot more information, if any.

Like I said, I didn't watch the whole thing, they may have described what they were actually upset about, but not in the periods I looked in, it was a bunch of people nodding at each other and echoing "bad bad bad" in various forms.

Which I find singularly uninformative, as well as not very concerned with the idea of a free press.
 
jj said:
Actually, it's not too far off the mark. More words, but not a heck of a lot more information, if any.

Like I said, I didn't watch the whole thing, they may have described what they were actually upset about, but not in the periods I looked in, it was a bunch of people nodding at each other and echoing "bad bad bad" in various forms.

Which I find singularly uninformative, as well as not very concerned with the idea of a free press.
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You know what, jj? Since you seem to be the only person here who saw the show at all, why don't you go over to FoxNews's website, find the transcript of the show for us, and put it here as a link, so we can all read it and see what the hell you're talking about, 'cuz from the cheap seats here, it sounds like you had a pretty cranky weekend chasing the neighborhood kids off your front lawn and are taking it out on us.
 
jj said:
Yesterday, I saw at least a 1-hour program dedicated to attacking the NY Times for publishing news.
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What, exactly, is your point? Is it that Fox News is a bad channel? I'm not sure why we should care. Is it that Fox has no right to criticise the NY Times? Surely that cannot be your complaint, since you obviously don't hold news organizations above criticism. The only thing that makes any sense is that you think the basis of Fox's criticism in this particular instance is without merit. But you do not even give any information about what their complaint is. We are, therefore, unable to evaluate your claim, so how are we to judge if YOUR complaint has any merit whatsoever? We cannot.

The irony has thus far escaped you.
 
jj said:
You know, given Faux's performance and yours, maybe you should apply for a job.
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How funny! The same thought occurred to me for you. A posting of no information regarding a news item of no information.

Aaron
 
BPSCG said:
You know what, jj? Since you seem to be the only person here who saw the show at all, why don't you go over to FoxNews's website, find the transcript of the show for us, and put it here as a link, so we can all read it and see what the hell you're talking about, 'cuz from the cheap seats here, it sounds like you had a pretty cranky weekend chasing the neighborhood kids off your front lawn and are taking it out on us.
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Actually, the people playing soccer on my front lawn were quite welcome.

I frankly don't much care at this point. You appear to know what this is about, you can clear the air if you like, all I can say is that the presentation I saw was pathetic, inadequate, and showed no respect for any news media, themselves included.
 
jj said:
Actually, the people playing soccer on my front lawn were quite welcome.

I frankly don't much care at this point. You appear to know what this is about, you can clear the air if you like, all I can say is that the presentation I saw was pathetic, inadequate, and showed no respect for any news media, themselves included.
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Fine, I'll look for it. What day was it? What time? Whose program? Who were the guests? Anything you can tell me to help track it down. Sorry we won't have your input after this, since you're not interested in it any more...
 
I saw the program and I thought it was pretty clear what they were complaining about and they certainly explained why they felt that way. No one is violating anyone's first amendment rights here. It's perfectly fine for citizens to complain about the action of the press.

You don't have to lie to make fox news look bad. You really don't.
 
jj said:
Actually, the people playing soccer on my front lawn were quite welcome.

I frankly don't much care at this point. You appear to know what this is about, you can clear the air if you like, all I can say is that the presentation I saw was pathetic, inadequate, and showed no respect for any news media, themselves included.
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Well, thanks for the sneak preview of the world according to jj. Maybe next time you'll open a thread about something someone else can see or confirm, a disparity that I wager causes you great stress on many issues besides news programs.
 
jj said:
all I can say is that the presentation I saw was pathetic, inadequate, and showed no respect for any news media, themselves included.
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From this thread I think it'd be more accurate if you said "all I can say is that the presentation I didn't see was pathetic...."
 
Ziggurat said:
The only thing that makes any sense is that you think the basis of Fox's criticism in this particular instance is without merit. But you do not even give any information about what their complaint is.
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That is because in the several 5-minute parts I watched didn't provide any information. Don't complain to me about that.

The irony is indeed that although I must have wasted about 15 minutes out of an hour watching this over the hour I was aware of it on the TV, I never DID hear the issues, only the heads nodding and going 'badbadbadbad'.
 
I saw the show in question and absolutely everything they said was completely accurate and honest. Every claim they made was backed up with cold, hard, undeniable, facts. There is no debate that any assertion made concerning the NYT was completely true. Fox News presented the most fair and balanced review of this subject that has ever been aired in the history of television journalism.






But I'm not going to tell you which show it was, what the claims were or when it was on either.
 
Bob Klase said:
From this thread I think it'd be more accurate if you said "all I can say is that the presentation I didn't see was pathetic...."
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I made no claims about the part I didn't see, only the part I saw. Is there some reason you have to make up a straw man?

Gosh, you're determined to defend them, aren't you?
 
Could this be it?

To me, the real question here is the conduct of The New York Times. By disclosing this in time of war, they have compromised America's antiterrorist policies. This is a very effective policy. They have compromised it. This is the second time The New York Times has done this.

And to me, nobody elected The New York Times to do anything. And The New York Times is putting its own arrogant, elitist, left-wing agenda before the interests of the American people.

And I'm calling on the attorney general to begin a criminal investigation and prosecution of The New York Times, its reporters, the editors that worked on this, and the publisher. We're in time of war, Chris, and what they've done here is absolutely disgraceful. I believe they violated the Espionage Act, the Comint Act.

This is absolutely disgraceful. The time has come for the American people to realize and The New York Times to realize we're at war and they can't be just on their own deciding what to declassify, what to release.

If Congress wants to work on this privately, that's one thing. But for them to, on their own — for them to decide — for the editor of The New York Times to say that he decides it's in the national interest — no one elected them to anything.

You know, remember, this is the newspaper that brought us Jason Blair. Going back a few years ago, they're the ones who gave Fidel Castro his job in Cuba. They have no right to do this at all. The First Amendment is not absolute, certainly, when it comes to something like this, which to me is a clear violation of statutory law.
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JamesDillon said:
Oh, bloody hell, I had a long post linking to the transcript and an NY Times discussion today of the matter, and I hit the wrong key and lost it. Screw it, here's the link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200893,00.html

And here's the NY Times's response:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/26/washington/26cnd-bank.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

jj, is this what you're talking about?
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Doesn't look like it. The first use of "bad" in Fox News link comes after the discussion of the NYT story.

JJ, what show was it?
 
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