Piscivore
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I have no idea. But "Sweden for the Swedish" and the anti-"foreigners" sentiments you expressed reflect a desire for segregation.
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Four Good Reasons Why I Am A Conservative
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I have no idea. But "Sweden for the Swedish" and the anti-"foreigners" sentiments you expressed reflect a desire for segregation.
But this was the main problem with the OP. The repeated phrase “good reason”. Within those mere two words lies enough wiggle room to justify every policy from government cheese to mass murder. Everyone has a different opinion of what constitutes a “good reason”.
Some prior “good reasons” from history that influenced policy:
National security
Feeding the hungry
Maintaining social order
Religious taboos
Maintaining racial purity
Equal rights
Reducing inflation (by reducing employment)
Increasing employment (increasing inflation in the process)
We were here first
Preventing exploitation of the working class
The natural inferiority of women
The divine right of Kings
Bringing people to the one true church/synagogue/mosque/temple/stone circle, etc.
With those two words, there is nothing in the OP to object to, since anybody can fit their personal belief structure into the “good reason” exception. The version of “conservative” in the OP can stand for anything.
Nonsense, i don't want to segregate immigrants. Hell, segregation is what the current government is doing right now.
They are shuffling immigrants into ghettos like Rinkeby and the like, where the amount of immigrants are well over 50%.
Crime, social upheaval and extreme poverty are the results.
And besides, are you saying that Sweden must give anyone the right to live in Sweden no matter how much they differ from us either culturally or ethnically?
And please help me understand whats so objectionable with the belief in 'one country - one people'?
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Well, I get to vote on that issue. So do you. I agree wholeheartedly that democracy has sometimes screwed things up, but there you go. As Winston Churchill said, it's the worst political system imaginable except for all the others.
But to take my first point again as an example, I should say that I need a good reason why the government should interfere in the market --- whereas a follower of Lenin would assume that government control of markets was the best idea, and would want a good reason why not.
Now I myself seek a good reason why the government should interfere with anything. I will freely confess that I as a voter might be duped by a bad reason --- I do not claim to be perfect --- but my point is that at least I wish to be provided with something that I believe to be a good reason.
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Piscivore
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And you just want them thrown out of the country. No difference.
No. But not doing so is segregation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism#Opposition_and_critique
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#As_state-sponsored_activity
you know, the USA let in thousands of Swedish immigrants. perhaps this was a mistake.
Piscivore
Smelling fishy
You got that right. That damn chef still doesn't know how to speak English.
http://www.kossan.se/roliga-filmer/the_daily_show_the_stockholm_syndrome.htm
Er... you do know the "Daily Show" is a comedy show... don't you?
A follower of Lenin would still fit into the OP. If government control of markets is the best idea, then that is a "good reason" to have government control of markets.
Honestly, I have been hanging around liberals for a decade or more now, and I have never found a single liberal who would support government intervention without a "good reason". Liberals are not in favor of the expansion of government per se, just policies that might lead to the expansion of government.
If I punch a man in the face, I might injure my hand. I really want to punch Glenn Beck in the face. Does this mean I want to injure my hand?
A new car might cost $10k. I want a new car. Do I want to spend $10k?
A Universal Healthcare system will lead to an increase in the size of government. I really want a Universal Healthcare system. Do I want an increase in the size of government?
It's amazing how this simple concept eludes many conservatives.
Straw man. The only immigrants i want to throw out are those who have no intention on embracing Swedish culture, those who are committing crime and those who are specifically here to parasite on the Swedish people.
seg·re·ga·tion (sgr-gshn)
n.
1. The act or process of segregating or the condition of being segregated.
2. The policy or practice of separating people of different races, classes, or ethnic groups, as in schools, housing, and public or commercial facilities, especially as a form of discrimination.
3. Genetics The separation of paired alleles or homologous chromosomes, especially during meiosis, so that the members of each pair appear in different gametes.
How exactly is not letting in people who are extremely different from the Swedes 'Segregation'?
Absolutely Brilliant, Argumentum ad Wikipedia!
KingMerv00
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Damn elves infecting us with their borg-like socialism. GO WORSHIP YOUR RED MASTER ELSEWHERE! FIND A NORTH POLE SERVER!
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KingMerv00
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I'd answer you but it would be a derail. This thread isn't entitled "Four Good Reasons You Are a Bigot".
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You miss my point. Such a person would take government control as the default position, and would need to be persuaded into free-market economics like Lenin was persuaded into his New Economic Policy. They would be persuaded in general that the government should control the economy, and ask for a good reason why this should not apply in some particular case. Whereas I am persuaded that in general free-market economics is best, and ask to be supplied with one good reason why the government should intervene.
The question I am raising is --- what is the default position?
Then apparently all the liberals you've been hanging around with were conservatives. Like me.
Perhaps one of the Mods should split the thread?
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And the people you've been calling liberals are actually conservatives. President Obama, for instance, is a conservative by your definition.
So? What now?
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Now please stop posting on my thread. If you want to gibble out racist tripe, start your own thread.
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KingMerv00
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It seems the only people who meet this definition of "liberal" live in Oceania.