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Former conspiracy believer here

funk de fino said:
Please tell me you do not mean what you have posted?

What planes do you think were non existant?

Clue - The hundreds of ready to fly and fully fuelled and armed ones you wanted over the Capitol within minutes

Come on sunshine think outside the box
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Poster TSIG said they were non existent.
 
chipmunk stew said:
That's silly. The chances of being killed in an act of terrorism are exceedingly slim, even in a country like Israel. More people are killed in the US by homicide in a month than are killed globally by terrorism in a year. And homicide is the cause of less than 1% of American deaths annually.

We certainly need to maintain pressure and vigilence against terrorism, but let's also maintain our perspective.
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Yeah, it's silly. But it's on a poster we have here in the office.

The current thought at the time the poster was created I guess was that the first-responders would be those who are targeted. I believe one of Mr. Chapman's bombs outside of a methadone clinic (or maybe it was an abortion clinic) was set up to kill the cops who responded to a bomb he had planted or one that had gone off.

It's a bit sensationalized to be sure.
 
beachnut said:
Funny stuff. I see you will never have an accident or be hurt by anyone on purpose. I expect you have a neck guard to keep throat cutting terrorist from killing you. You must share your perfect world instruction manual with the rest of the world. Plus you need to pick up the million dollars for being able to see things before they happen and take the correct action to prevent all unknowns from doing you in.

I know you are not prepared for everything, you just don't know it yet. It is a long fall; be prepared, but don't worry you are not prepared so relax, you will never see it coming.
The time to figure out 9/11 is shown exactly to the minute with flight 93 passengers. You can make up all the BS you want, there are infinite things you are not prepared for. Take your pick.

Since you think NORAD should have been able to shoot down an airliner before it was known what the airliner was doing, you are to blame. I blame you because you failed to tell everyone NORAD was not ready for a threat you say was big and you would have been ready. This is what you imply with your "I'm ready for anything" BS.

the box stuff, is classic BS; FAA and NORAD did the outside the BOX from the start; you missed it
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You're either intentionally misrepresenting what I am saying or I'm not being very clear. Which is it?
 
Live up to your own standards! Look it up yourself; correct the errors yourself.

holycanoli said:
No. Please direct me to one that is correct.:boggled:
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It is about time you started thinking outside the box and look it up yourself and use judgment to find errors before you ask others to do your work. Look up what JFK said about "ask not".

Seems like you are worse than the FAA and NORAD, posting bad information. Looks like you are unable to find answers on your own just like NORAD did not find something to shoot down (what you seem to say) on 9/11. You are like the pot and the kettle.

I would think you could find errors, since you want NORAD and the FAA to do the same; before they made them. ???
 
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funk de fino said:
At the time is the big factor here. The attacks were unprecendented. You have hindsight. Its is easy for you. The terrorism and hijackings were completely different than any before and in fact since.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. You are not thinking outside of the box you are setting the box on fire with yourself still inside it.

People acted outwith the SOP on the day when it became clear this was something unusual and it still did not help those people you so pathetically bring up.
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Okay. We'll disagre.



funk de fino said:
So, you are a minion, and will always remain so if your actions follow your reasoning on here. You were supposed to say that unthinkable things happen sometimes that cannot always be accounted for and only with hindsight can we try to stop them happening again. Till the next one.
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Unthinkable? Tom Clancy thought it up in one of his books. Not unthinkable.

When you don't have a hi-jacking for 27 years in your country, when you have a system flashing red in June and July, a PDB that says bin laden determined to attack in the US, then you have a report of a hi-jacking (something arab terrorists are famous for), It's not unthinkable to most of us.
The plane is in the air. THat is where the threat is going to come from. So it makes sense to launch what you have at the first sign of a hijacking.

This isn't rocket science and you can pretend that it is unfathomable all you wish for. Thats okay with me.

Yes there are things that I'll never be able to plan for but we spend a great amount of times looking at what we have taken for granted and remove them piece by piece from the scenario.

Anyway, you've seem to have made up your mind about this and thats fine too. But giving up isn't an option for some of us. Count me in that group.
 
holycanoli said:
Unthinkable? Tom Clancy thought it up in one of his books. Not unthinkable.
This isn't rocket science and you can pretend that it is unfathomable all you wish for. Thats okay with me.
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NO, Tom had the bad guy use his OWN plane. OOPs There were no pilots killed; he just took his own plane and ran it into Congress. More research.
 
holycanoli said:
What?:eye-poppi

The planes existed. They were on their way to the Pentagon according to CNN. They were 12 minutes late. Look at the CNN Timeline if you don't believe me.
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If the planes were scrambled just what is your problem?
 
funk de fino said:
Please tell me you do not mean what you have posted?

What planes do you think were non existant?

Clue - The hundreds of ready to fly and fully fuelled and armed ones you wanted over the Capitol within minutes

Come on sunshine think outside the box
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Those were the ones I was talking about. He seems to have forgotten.
 
holycanoli,

I am curious. You suggest that you would have scrambled fighter aircraft immediately upon notification of a plane hijacking. My questions are these:

1. Where would you send the fighters?
2. What orders would you give them?
3. Would you order them to shoot down any airliners, and what criteria would you consider in giving the orders?
4. Which airliners would you have them attack, and when?
5. How would you justify your actions?

You might want to consider the timeline and the mistaken reports of hijackings...
 
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holycanoli said:
So it makes sense to launch what you have at the first sign of a hijacking.
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They did...

0837 Boston Centre notifies NEADS of the hijacking of AA11 and requests an aircraft scramble. This is the first incident of the morning.

0838 The two F-15s on alert status at Otis ANGB (Air National Guard Base) are put on “Battle Stations” (pilots enter their aircraft and await the signal to launch)
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-Gumboot
 
beachnut said:
NO, Tom had the bad guy use his OWN plane. OOPs There were no pilots killed; he just took his own plane and ran it into Congress. More research.
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Actually, he ran it into the Capitol building. Congress is a group of people.
The fact of a plane being used as a WMD is not "unthinkable" as you earlier stated.
 
holycanoli said:
Actually, he ran it into the Capitol building. Congress is a group of people.
The fact of a plane being used as a WMD is not "unthinkable" as you earlier stated.
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I believe NORAD had exercised for a suicide attacks (mainly involving WMD on board) such as features in Executive Decision, but in all of their exercises the threat originated from outside the USA.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
I believe NORAD had exercised for a suicide attacks (mainly involving WMD on board) such as features in Executive Decision, but in all of their exercises the threat originated from outside the USA.

-Gumboot
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Not to nit pick, but didn't the actual attack happen in Debt of Honor.
 
CptColumbo said:
Not to nit pick, but didn't the actual attack happen in Debt of Honor.
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no idea. The only Clancy novel I've ever read is Rainbow Six. His stuff isn't really my kind of story. The film Executive Decision is the only Tom Clancy suicide-hijacking story I could think of.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
no idea. The only Clancy novel I've ever read is Rainbow Six. His stuff isn't really my kind of story. The film Executive Decision is the only Tom Clancy suicide-hijacking story I could think of.

-Gumboot
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I left the Ryanverse behind when he messed with the Minnesota Vikings. First he nukes them when they're winning the Superbowl, then he tried to buy them in reality, so he could move them to LA.
 
gumboot said:
no idea. The only Clancy novel I've ever read is Rainbow Six. His stuff isn't really my kind of story. The film Executive Decision is the only Tom Clancy suicide-hijacking story I could think of.

-Gumboot
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I don't think Executive Decision is a Tom Clancy story. Executive Orders, the book after Debt of Honor (where the suicide attack occured), may be what you're thinking of (unless I'm wrong about the movie, of course).
 
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