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Former conspiracy believer here

I was actually a truther last year. :boxedin:

Yes, I remember. JamesB was too, and he's now a first-rate debunker. There are several others here as well.
The next time someone asks why we debunkers do what we do, well, there's your answer. There's nothing more satisfying for a debunker than seeing someone learn to use their critical-thinking skills. Those skills will stand Diagonas in good stead the next time someone pitches a conspiracy theory to him, and they have application in many other aspects of life as well.

To all the ex-Truthers here, we're glad to have you, and we welcome your contributions.
 
Anybody ever see a testimonial of someone going from not believing 9/11 conspiracy theories to believing the "truther" way?
That is the standard method of the leaders! They all seem to say, they were fooled by the standard story of 9/11 until they woke up. Jones, Dylan, and many of the top dolts in the make up lies about 9/11 movement.

Since the leaders of the "truth" movement are telling lies, it is fitting they start off telling lies.
 
Yes, I remember. JamesB was too, and he's now a first-rate debunker. There are several others here as well.

I remember Garb coming here and telling he was an ex-troofer. But I never knew that JamesB used to be a troofer as well... amazing!

But indeed, good to see you all applying your critical thinking skills.

I used to believe in the JFK conspiracy. Until I saw a documentary on (I think) the BBC, debunking the magic bullet by showing the exact layout of the seatings in Kennedy's limo, and how all the passengers where seating in comparison to each other, and that one bullet DID indeed cause all those injuries.
 
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The closest thing we have to a debunker switching sides is Greening, depending on what mood he's in.

I honestly don't know of any others.
 
T.A.M. was my mentor and tour-guide out of the abyss. I swallowed the LC pill...and it worked for about a month. T.A.M. pointed me here and after a few days of reading through some of the posts I started to weigh both sides. For me, it was the fact that the truthers didn't have any evidence, hard proof, hard data or facts. Every claim was met with rational answers using science, numbers or statements made by relevant experts both here and elsewhere.

Thanks T.A.M.

My name is HyJinx...and I was once a woo, too.

Well thank you for the complement. It brings me no end of satisfaction that I was able to point you to the road Truth traveled.

However, i just pointed you, the rest you owe to yourself, your logical and rational mind, and the tonnes of research and analysis provided by the famous JREF Ninjas.

TAM:)
 
We better get all grumpy and curmudgeony again, or one of the local truth squad will blast us for back patting again....lol

TAM:)
 
Diagoras,

You are to be applauded. Not for "believing what we believe" or "accepting the party line" but for having the courage and integrity to seek out opinions in contrast to your own, to ensure you are not in error.

Whether, in seeking out contrasting opinions, you relinquish your position or reaffirm it, by taking the step of looking at the other side of the argument you have demonstrated the best attributes of critical thinking.

-Gumboot
 
Oliver?

-Gumboot


Nope. In contrast to "Debunkers" and "Truth-ers", I only stick to the facts I learned about so far. So I don't hold an absolute position like the other 2 "fundamentalistic" groups... :D
 
Diagoras,
Welcome to the forum.
You may find argumentative and closed minds here, but they are few and far between. What you are certain to find are logic, scepticism and a community full of knowledgeable experts from all walks of life who (unlike too many in the truth movement) do not take themselves too seriously.
I just picked up on this thread, so forgive the redundancy, but welcome again to the jref.
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Welcome Diagoras! I am a former CT believer as well. Unfortunately for me, after being awoken from this thing, I spent a year looking around, and seeing how much evidence was against them, I went onto the CT boards believing that they would listen to reason. Sadly, they like to put their fingers in their ears and scream "lalalala" constantly. I was banned by Dylan Avery himself saying that my actions were "childish", as if pointing out facts was "childish". Anyhow, that led to an e-mail confrontation and he made a certain quote that is now my signature!

Once again, welcome aboard to the side of reasoning and thought, better known as the NWO :D. Your special issued NWO stickers will be mailed to you and your black suit will be couriered immediately! No need to send in your suit size, we have it!
 
Hey guys. I've been reading some of the threads in this forum, and they're of particular interest to me because for a couple years I was firmly in the conspiracy theory camp.

I've never been a big fan of Bush, or the Republican Party, or politicians in general, so when I was first exposed to the conspiracy theory it had an immediate appeal to me. It confirmed my belief that these were horrible people who are up to no good.

It wasn't the first conspiracy theory I had swallowed, either. In retrospect, it is obvious that every time I've fallen for one it was primarily for emotional reasons rather than rational ones. A conspiracy theory doesn't stick unless it has some kind of emotional appeal.

The second thing that drew me to the theory was the whole "action flick" aspect of the story. The story really does read like a movie, with missiles and explosives and a super-secret government plot to fool the public, which would have to be defeated by an impassioned popular movement to expose the truth. That's exciting stuff, if you believe it.

And the third thing that I liked about it was the feeling of being "in the know". When you start to believe in the conspiracy, you see the world divided into the following three groups:

1) The evil conspirators. People with no conscience, of pure evil, who will do anything for personal gain. They thirst for money and power, and if it means murdering thousands of people, that's just fine. They are also extremely good at keeping secrets. They are very competent at staging fake displays to fool the public, yet they are also such bumbling fools that evidence of the conspiracy is so obvious and plentiful that it is irrefutable.

2) The dupes. These are the mindless drones who go about their daily lives believing whatever the media and the government tell them, i.e. pretty much everybody on the planet, including all the structural engineers and firemen with their so-called "evidence" (though some of them might be in the first category).

3) The freedom-fighting conspiracy theorists. These are the people who, from the comfort of their computer chairs, have seen through the veil of secrecy and lies. They have seen the videos and read the websites. They have filled their heads with so many half-truths about the events of that day that they feel the conspiracy theory is rock-solid. If anyone disproves one of their half-truths, there are thousands more to fall back on.

Eventually, however, I decided I couldn't only read conspiracy theorists anymore. I had to at least look at the claims of the opposition in detail, to see if I could refute their arguments and to see if maybe possibly I might be mistaken. Before that I was afraid of doing that, fearing that I might be sucked into being a government dupe again.

Well, that's exactly what happened. When I looked carefully at the conspiracy debunking sites, they made a lot of sense. I couldn't refute their arguments after all. And it seemed so much more plausible, once I actually saw that the "holes" in the official story weren't what I thought they were. Looking back, it seems absolutely crazy that I could have bought it hook, line and sinker like I did. I try to be skeptical and to not let my emotions get in the way of analyzing the facts wherever possible, but apparently I failed at that. Luckily I got better and with a dose of rationality I've been cured of the conspiracy delusion.

It is possible to change people's minds. Don't give up hope, guys.


I am wondering if it could have been the peer reviewed articles at the Journal of Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories which convinced you the present government explanation was accurate. If not what reading did you do that caused you to change your mind?
 
I am wondering if it could have been the peer reviewed articles at the Journal of Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories which convinced you the present government explanation was accurate. If not what reading did you do that caused you to change your mind?

Tony:

Is the "Peer Review Pool" used for JONES (journal of nine eleven studies) articles different from the advisory editorial board for the journal?

If so, is JONES willing to release the names of the entire pool?

Are there experts in Chemistry, Demolitions, and Aviation within the pool?

Thanks in advance,

TAM:)
 
What do you mean "work"? Are you implying that I'm being dishonest? If so, I don't know what to tell you. Is it so incomprehensible that somebody might actually have changed their mind about something like this?


Welcome to the forum, Diagoras.

Yes, it is incomprehensible to the vast majority of conspiracy liars that there are people who combine a sincere desire to know the truth with the mental flexibility to adjust their thinking as they acquire information. The loons are wedded to their baseless fantasies because they can't accomodate new information. If that sounds like a working defintion of "stupidity," so be it.

I just finished a protracted e-mail debate with Morgan O. Reynolds. This man was chief economist for the Department of Labor and he doesn't believe any planes hit the Twin Towers. Yes, you read that correctly. He relies on incompetent amateurs to discern flaws in the video footage available to him to show that all the videos shot on the day of the jihadist attacks were faked. He is incapable of understanding that the sort of analysis his amateurs are trying to perform cannot yield accurate results. He dismisses the testimony of eyewitnesses by prattling about imaginary violations of "Newtonian physics," a subject he knows nothing about. When I explained that after the first plane hit the North Tower, everyone in Manhattan who had a clear view of the WTC was staring at the burning building, he bobbed and weaved and eventually ran away. Witnesses to the crash of the second plane number in the thousands, probably tens of thousands.

Botton line: he doesn't care. None of the conspiracy liars care about the implausibility of their fantasies.
 
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