Forgiven for what, eactly?

[154]

Why would any perfect, just, or all-knowing god put rules in place about menstruation? Is it just there to remind women that they're not as clean/good as men?

Since I'm quite certain that you will not make the slightest effort to honestly research out the matter,
I guess this is just a rhetorical question.

 

[Halfcentaur]

Since I'm quite certain that you will not make the slightest effort to honestly research out the matter,
I guess this is just a rhetorical question.

More and more your postings seem nothing more than rhetorical points with passive aggression implications that those who oppose your arguments are liars. Why are you here?

 

[154]

Do you think that Sun Countess will make the slightest effort to honestly research out the matter?

And apparently I am here to be asked why I am here when I am not being asked why I haven't answered enough.

 

[Halfcentaur]

I really have no idea what the context was of your conversation with Sun Countess or what their point was. My inquiry is not based on that context. It's a development springing from the last time I asked you this in the atheist minister thread last night, where you insinuated atheists were liars by saying it did not surprise you.

 

[154]

I really have no idea what the context was of your conversation with Sun Countess or what their point was. My inquiry is not based on that context. It's a development springing from the last time I asked you this in the atheist minister thread last night, where you insinuated atheists were liars by saying it did not surprise you.

So your quoting is irrelevant to your commenting and has nothing to do with your intent of lashing at me...

And now I answered that in that thread. Happy? Of course not.

 

[H'ethetheth]

I'm still not getting it, Avalon.

Let's say I am able to create a robot (with or without free will, doesn't really matter), and even before I've designed it, I know it wil inevitably kill somebody.

Would it be right for me to be disappointed in the robot when it kills somebody?
Would it be right for me to demand that the robot ask my forgiveness?

 

[Halfcentaur]

So your quoting is irrelevant to your commenting and has nothing to do with your intent of lashing at me...

And now I answered that in that thread. Happy? Of course not.

I am not lashing out at you, please be less defensive. If you're spending everyday in a place where everyone disagrees with you, and getting to the point that you are passing off your interactions as hopeless and your peers are all liars, I am genuinely curious what it is you're hoping to find here. I am curious about people and they way they think and why they do things.
You're getting more and more hostile and I feel genuine concern. I am now going to look at your reply, I wonder if it will be defensive and hostile as well.

 

[laca]

I'm still not getting it, Avalon.

Let's say I am able to create a robot (with or without free will, doesn't really matter), and even before I've designed it, I know it wil inevitably kill somebody.

Not just somebody, you would know exactly whom, when and how...

 

[154]

I am not lashing out at you, please be less defensive... I am genuinely curious... You're getting more and more hostile and I feel genuine concern...

Oh. Please. Shut. Up.

 

[Sun Countess]

Since I'm quite certain that you will not make the slightest effort to honestly research out the matter,
I guess this is just a rhetorical question.

What research would you have me do? The OT makes it very clear that women are unclean, and that it's somehow more unclean to deliver a girl baby than a boy baby. Modern orthodox Jewish men will still not shake a woman's hand because she may be unclean.

Are you going to honestly tell me that there's a "divine" reason for these old rules? My research tells me that the OT was written by superstitious men who were okay with owning slaves and who didn't like women very much. I'm open to hearing that my research is somehow inadequate.

Tell me please how a good and just god would make rules against touching women who may be menstruating and force her to undergo days of ritual bathing before she may join the rest of the household again. Please tell me how your bible god views men and women as equals.

 

[laca]

Since I'm quite certain that you will not make the slightest effort to honestly research out the matter,
I guess this is just a rhetorical question.

What is there to research? It says so in your precious Bible. Is there something else?

 

[H'ethetheth]

Not just somebody, you would know exactly whom, when and how...

I don't think that matters much for the gist of the example, but yes, we can add that.
It will be my own son, then, on his fourth birthday, and he will be killed in an incident ivolving the birthday cake and a very heavy present.

 

[Halfcentaur]

Oh. Please. Shut. Up.

My concern was a shallow concern at that, the sort one reserves for strangers out of politeness. That concern is gone now.
I do wonder however what the heck it is you're doing here. I suspect you get pleasure out of feeling persecuted. I guess I must have just given you a little bit more of that pleasure then. No need to thank me.

 

[laca]

I don't think that matters much for the gist of the example, but yes, we can add that.

It doesn't? What if he gets to be a police officer and kills a gang member during a shootout? What if he's a soldier and it's war? What if he's a surgeon and by mistake he kills one of his patients?

 

[Explorer]

The biggest sin in this thread is how so many people have spent so much wasted good quality time arguing with the severely deluded Avalon XQ. This person is hopelessly devoted to ancient iron age scribblings written by the equally deluded, and has developed the art of using circular arguments to perfection. However, at least the Iron Age scribes had an excuse, they were totally ignorant of knowledge of the world and how it really all worked.

 

[H'ethetheth]

It doesn't? What if he gets to be a police officer and kills a gang member during a shootout? What if he's a soldier and it's war? What if he's a surgeon and by mistake he kills one of his patients?

Okay, it matters in that context, but I thought it would be obvious from the context of the discussion and the questions accompanying the example that it's not the intended or wanted kind of killing.

 

[Aepervius]

A being with no ability to make moral choices cannot sin, and has no soul (or at least no expression of his soul). Such a being is theological equivalent of an animal. No, I don't see such a being as facing judgment at all.
Judgment is predicated on free will choice.

Interresting. So your premise is that without the hability to sin, such people are animals and soulless. So much for mentaly handicapped people. Or people with mental degrading condition. You're all animals. ETA: oh and by extension, *UNTIL* the kids have an undersdtanding of right/wrong and starting having a moral, they have no ability to to make moral choice , they have no soul.

I find that way of thinking strikingly explain a lot of bad stuff from christian outlook , particularly I begin how easy it might be to declare some folk "sub human" by shopwing them not having the christian moral and therefore beign soulless. It is after all only a small step from the statement from you above, and certainly led to a lot opf cruelty.

 

[godless dave]

Every free moral agent on Earth has willfully committed an evil act, in disobedience to God's will and our responsibilities to God.

Every single one? How can you know that? Are you aware of ever act committed by every free moral agent everywhere?

 

[I Ratant]

What research would you have me do? The OT makes it very clear that women are unclean, and that it's somehow more unclean to deliver a girl baby than a boy baby. Modern orthodox Jewish men will still not shake a woman's hand because she may be unclean.

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Brouhaha at the G20 meeting, with an Islamic fundie shaking Michelle Obama's hand.
Not only the Joos fear women.
I've done more than "shake a woman's hand" when she's "unclean".

 

[I Ratant]

I don't think that matters much for the gist of the example, but yes, we can add that.
It will be my own son, then, on his fourth birthday, and he will be killed in an incident involving the birthday cake and a very heavy present.

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The B-B gun generally just pokes the eye out.