Forbidden Science
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Rolfe
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I've read another book of his called The Facts of Life. It's interesting, but ultimately goes nowhere, and having heard that (in the book you've just mentioned) he actually thinks cold fusion (a la Fleischmann and Pons) is real, and a few other off-the-wall ideas, I doubt that he's really a credible player.
Rolfe.
Rolfe.
"Richard Milton's defense of "alternative" science provides examples of nearly every logical fallacy and psychological foible that hinder us from being fair and accurate in our assessment of scientific and paranormal claims"
Milton debunked
Wait a minute! Don't start the discussion, love, give me some time to go down to the basement, toss another few logs on the fire and bring up some microbrews and bottle opener. This is going to be good. Be right back.
For a moment, I'd thought the thread was about the 1955 SciFi classic, Forbidden Planet. Does have the same theme, though, don't it: monsters from the ID.
Thank you, I'm here all week. Two shows Friday.
And here I thank you for a good link. You might cut back on the whimsy though ... just my 2cts.
Come back when you actually have something to say, on topic.
Fungrim
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Havn't read the book. But I exchanged a few email with a friend of mine over this guy. A woo basically, but one who knows how to spell and punctuate. His website is http://www.alternativescience.com/ and contains facinating headlines such as "Do You Really Need Your Brain?", "ESP and the Lottery", "Too Hot To Handle" and funny enough, a "debunking" of the Million Dollar Challange. A good read if you're in the mood for a laugh.
ETA: And here's a "debate" between Jim Foley and Milton, the funny bit is where Milton finally admits that one of the "references" for one of his claims is a photograph from another woo book which he simply took for granted: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/milton.html
ETA: And here's a "debate" between Jim Foley and Milton, the funny bit is where Milton finally admits that one of the "references" for one of his claims is a photograph from another woo book which he simply took for granted: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/milton.html
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Ladewig
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I haven't read it, but I have a question. Who is forbidding this science from taking place?
Chris Haynes
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Have you read this post?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49403
Anyway, I looked at the book at:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1857021886/ ... and noticed that it was published ten years ago. From one of two reviews it looks like the subjects are what are discussed in the General Skepticism and Paranormal section of JREF. It does not look like something I am very likely to read, especially since it is not at my local public library (I am presently reading The Cutter Incident by Dr. Paul Offit, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300108648/ )
The author does have a web page: http://www.alternativescience.com/ ... He has several subjects that he lists as "forbidden". Choose one, and we will discuss it.
Coincidentally, yes. Poor guy seems quite angry about something.
Well I would recommend it, because he presents quite a fresh perspective on many subjects and brings up a lot of interesting facts.
The book you mention sounds interesting. I don't believe that vaccines make one healthier overall, anyway.
Yes, he doesn't really develop any points on his webpage in his "forbidden" section.
Perhaps the most interesting story in the book is about Velikovsky. He actually made several bold predictions, that were regarded as impossible at the time. These predictions were later confirmed by science, yet his theories are still not generally accepted.
LostAngeles
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The guy is a walking miracle thanks to science and yet people have felt the need to throw garbage in his face like, "Your body is too acidic," or, "You did something to deserve this." They offer him sugar pills and magic water and poo-poo the stuff that actually saved his life and call it, "poison."
Wouldn't you be angry?
I'll respond in the original thread.
Hmm. Perchance you didn't actually read that paper? You may have actually learned the difference between science and pseudoscience.
Tell you what, you come back with evidence in the form of peer reviewed study and publication from a properly blinded clinical trial showing ANY effect above placebo for the following alternative therapies:
Homeopathy
Vitamin C as cancer cure
Shark Cartelidge as cancer cure
Acidic/Alkalai cuse for cancer argument (this you just have to show me it's accepted among oncologists as a correct cause of cancer.)
Sunscreen as a cause of cancer
Now that you've exhausted your search for evidence that any of the above is worth anything medically, I will then tell you that to offer someone psuedoscientific crap as something to help them get better is tantamount to telling someone that to heal their broken leg, they should chew gensing.
Do you get it now?
What you should be focusing on is peer reviewed, properly blinded scientific study, as that's the best way to actually show how this universe works. Otherwise you are cherry picking evidence, using confirmation bias, or any other host of logical fallacies to believe in something that simply is not true.
Chris Haynes
Perfectly Poisonous Person
I've read about him in an even older book, but one that is still in print and available from my local library... PLUS --- it is still relevent! It is this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486203948/Anyway, here is more about the psychiatrist trying to be an amateur astronomer here:
http://skepdic.com/velikov.html
Also, read very very carefully the paper that fowlsound wrote. Please.