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Not surprised.
Y'know...I read this without reading who posted it and laughed..
I thought it was a sarcastic joke.
Sadder and wiser.....
HOLY HELL! ANd did you also know that table salt contains CHLORINE, which was used as a chemical weapon in WW1!
Ok, slightly facetious, but do you know what some of these things actually are? Streptomyacin? That's the agent that causes strep throat. If you're making a vaccine against a disease, is it any wonder the diease is part of the vaccine? You really don't know how these things work, do you?
And I am sick to DEATH of hearing that vaccines contain mercury.
THEY STOPPED USING MERCURY TO STABILIZE VACCINES OVER 20 YEARS AGO!!!!
Did it sink in that time? Good.
They no longer use formaldehyde, either.
Hell, some of the stuff they put in FOOD is toxic. It's a matter of dosage. Look at your ice cream ingredients next time you're at the store. Most of them have ethylene glycol in them. Yeah, antifreeze. Same stuff that's in the radiator of your CAR.
Yet, no-one dies from it. Huh. Wierd, eh?
I'm not even touching the 'cutting off your legs' bit. Good holy jeebus on a stick!
I'm not going to say it. Kiless will just split this off and drop all the cards again
. But man, could you blame me for wanting to?Oh, and yes, love, I contend you made the whole damned mess up. We ask for proof and get nothing in return. Until you have something to back yourself up with, you're making it up out of whole cloth.
Fluoride....don't even get me started.
The owner of the whale.to website is John Scudamore, a known usenet loon...
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So, does this mean you have some doubts about my list? Or are you indicating that because this source is a "loon", it means that your brain has automatically gone into its pre-programmed shutdown mode?
I am beginning to understand that skepticism on this site is more about ridiculing sources than examining testable claims.
I rather have the feeling that you do not understand the science at all. And rather than read the articles and follow the references yourself, you rely on finding someone somewhere on the internet "debunking" the site, person, article etc. "Debunking" appears to be anyone making counter-claims. I am not sure you actually go as far as hypothesis testing your own theories.
I'm off to find some more intelligent conversation someplace else.
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Of course you didn't make it up. You don't have the brains to concoct this kind of fantasy out of whole cloth. You're just reshoveling the sh!t you find on kook webpages hosted by uber loons of the Jeff Rense and David Icke variety.No, I just made it up.
Don't even try to claim this idiocy as your own. You won't fool us for a second.
Chris Haynes
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I did not even bother looking at your list, because I doubt its source. I know the source, and do not consider it even worthy of looking at.
Hint: I have been posting on Usenet for almost a decade. I have come across and communicated with John Scuadamore for many years. I often just ignore him, or when the mood strikes me, I will post something that contradicts what he has posted. My opinion of him as a loon is pretty well known, and shared by others. He has a habit of posting in bits, then in a sudden flurry... and then he disappears for a while. Some have speculated that he is bipolar... and posts in his manic stages, and others think that he gets put back on his meds.
I did not just say he was a loon... I posted a website that actually analyzed much of his writings. Did you bother to look at it? I actually DO attempt to back up what I post.
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Oh, and by the way, the seven Velikovsky predictions I posted did not fit the original criteria of "things that were regarded as impossible but were later proven to be true," because none of those predictions were considered impossible. Astronomers at the time predicted Venus's temperature to be close to Earth's, but they never claimed higher temperatures were impossible.
Venus is hot because of volcanoes and greenhouse gases. If Venus were ejected from Jupiter some 5000 years ago, it would not have any atmosphere at all. So current observations prove that Velikovsky was wrong; not that he was forbidden, that he was simply wrong. Venus, like all other planets, does not have the type of tails that comets have, so the Earth could not have passed through the tail of Venus, a crucial point in Velikovsky's theory.
Venus is hot because of volcanoes and greenhouse gases. If Venus were ejected from Jupiter some 5000 years ago, it would not have any atmosphere at all. So current observations prove that Velikovsky was wrong; not that he was forbidden, that he was simply wrong. Venus, like all other planets, does not have the type of tails that comets have, so the Earth could not have passed through the tail of Venus, a crucial point in Velikovsky's theory.
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love said:
hydrogen cyanide said:
No, I just made it up.
Why do you think sarcasm is an appropriate response to a valid request for evidence?
ETA: I just did a search on fluoride, salts, submission and came up with this site:
http://www.uhuh.com/control/chemtrail/fmindcon.htm
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bruto
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HOLY HELL! ANd did you also know that table salt contains CHLORINE, which was used as a chemical weapon in WW1!
Ok, slightly facetious, but do you know what some of these things actually are? Streptomyacin? That's the agent that causes strep throat. If you're making a vaccine against a disease, is it any wonder the diease is part of the vaccine? You really don't know how these things work, do you?
And I am sick to DEATH of hearing that vaccines contain mercury.
THEY STOPPED USING MERCURY TO STABILIZE VACCINES OVER 20 YEARS AGO!!!!
Did it sink in that time? Good.
They no longer use formaldehyde, either.
Hell, some of the stuff they put in FOOD is toxic. It's a matter of dosage. Look at your ice cream ingredients next time you're at the store. Most of them have ethylene glycol in them. Yeah, antifreeze. Same stuff that's in the radiator of your CAR.
Yet, no-one dies from it. Huh. Wierd, eh?
I'm not even touching the 'cutting off your legs' bit. Good holy jeebus on a stick!
I'm not going to say it. Kiless will just split this off and drop all the cards again
Oh, and yes, love, I contend you made the whole damned mess up. We ask for proof and get nothing in return. Until you have something to back yourself up with, you're making it up out of whole cloth.
Fluoride....don't even get me started.
It's a pretty loony list for sure. I think I can speak for more than one forum participant in reporting that amounts of at least some alcohols rather larger than those found in most vaccines have been tested on human subjects and found to be not so direly fatal as Love would have us believe. I am available if further testing is required, especially of ethanol of vinous origin.
Just for nitpicking, I thought streptomycin was an antibiotic, not the strep germ itself. It's also a pesticide, and various other things. One of the pests it's particularly effective on is tuberculosis. And I think it's propylene glycol you'll find in your food. At least I hope so. Ethylene glycol really is toxic in larger amounts, and not properly found in food. Even a little will kill a dog, and it's considered hazardous waste. Remember this if you're antifreezing the water system in your RV or something. PROpylene glycol is the stuff you want, believe me.
None of this really changes your point, but I did think it important to get the antifreeze straight.
CurtC
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My four year old son had a flu shot that contained mercury last year.
Chris Haynes
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In the form of thimerosal, in an amount too small to do anything. It was the stuff that used to be in contact lens saline solution. I had to stop using that stuff because I was allergic to it.
Also, I just read a good comparison in the Paul Offit book, The Cutter Incident. He said that there was a difference between methyl mercury (the kind that is in fish) and ethyl mercury (the kind that is in thimerosal), is very much like the difference between methyl alcohol (wood alcohol, that can cause blindness and other nasty things), and ethyl alcohol (that is in beer and wine). It is just used as a preservative in a multi-dose vial, and is not really a problem.
Here's a picture of the thimerosal molecule. Look quick or you'll miss its friendly little wave and blink:
http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2005/12/irrational-fear.html
You are correct on the substance in the ice cream..
Faulty memory.
And I do think they stopped using thimersol. Last I had heard, there is a better reagent that does the same job. I had thought they stopped it in the 80's.
As for streptomyacin, it may be a substance produced by the strep germ, but I had thought it was the germ itself. It's been far too long, and I'm not a doc. I'll take your word on it.
On Thimersol, HCN underlined my point about dosages. Your body has a system that can get rid of mercury, so long as it isn't overwhelmed. Methyl Mercury is a gas, and is absorbed through the lungs. Bad stuff.
Ethyl Mercury is still bad stuff, but it is in liquid form, and hence has less inroads into your system.
Once again, dosage is important. the very small amount of stuff in a vaccine is not enough, in most cases, to even cause your systems to blink, aside from the actual disease agent.
Faulty memory.
And I do think they stopped using thimersol. Last I had heard, there is a better reagent that does the same job. I had thought they stopped it in the 80's.
As for streptomyacin, it may be a substance produced by the strep germ, but I had thought it was the germ itself. It's been far too long, and I'm not a doc. I'll take your word on it.
On Thimersol, HCN underlined my point about dosages. Your body has a system that can get rid of mercury, so long as it isn't overwhelmed. Methyl Mercury is a gas, and is absorbed through the lungs. Bad stuff.
Ethyl Mercury is still bad stuff, but it is in liquid form, and hence has less inroads into your system.
Once again, dosage is important. the very small amount of stuff in a vaccine is not enough, in most cases, to even cause your systems to blink, aside from the actual disease agent.
Chris Haynes
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The thimerosal is not a reagent, it is an antiseptic to keep bad bugs from breeding in the multi-dose vaccine. It started being used when things like strep and staph bacteria started to grow in the vaccines early in the 20th century and caused more problems.
Making sure the vaccine is still safe when thimerosal is removed is not terribly easy, which is why when it was recommended to remove thimerosal in 1999 the approved vaccines without it did not show up until a couple of years later. It also makes the vaccine much more expensive per dose (like jumping the price from $0.50 to $7.00 or so, this is from memory, I returned The Cutter Incident to the library this afternoon). The form of influenza vaccine that does not have thimerosal at the present time is the aerosol "FluMist".
More information can be found here, including a note of an unfortunate incident in 1928: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
(note to "love", the latter bit is evidence to back up what I posted)
Chris Haynes
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The mark of a true skeptic and scholar... the willingness to look at the data and change your views.
That is the biggest difference you have with the close-minded who cannot accept views that contradict their preconceived notions. They cherry pick data to support those ideas, like the above mentioned John Scudamore who often brings up problems with smallpox vaccines two centuries to try to prove that vaccines in the 21st century are dangerous (he also chooses specific bits of yearly data to show diseases were going down before vaccines, neglecting to even depict the nose-dive the disease took after the vaccine was introduced!). I am pretty sure his cheerleader, love, found out that she dug a hole she could not get out of here.
Chris Haynes
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Oh, dear, now you are making me feel bad. Let's have a beer to wash it down!
(though truthfully I am having a grapefruit and vodka drink that I'm using to wash down rosettes... a type of deep fried cookie)In my case, I act according to the programming coming from Everybody Loves Raymond, at least that is the excuse I tell my wife.