For Einsteen, the Plasma Physics expert

[Gravy]

Here's what einsteen wrote when he posted that YouTube video:

Everyone always mentions Loose Change but IMO 911eyewitness is much better and should be watched seriously

And that's all you need to know about einsteen's ability to think rationally. Remember, people, einsteen is the guy who insisted that there was a huge explosion that sent a smoke cloud hundreds of feet into the air in front of WTC 7 BEFORE the towers collapsed.

He's still too lazy to do his homework. What a sad person.

 

[einsteen]

Huntsman, I said you before privacy is important and asked you not to show anything about it, please respect that. I'm never gonna give the exact details, you cannot be trusted as I see already now.

Gravy, I don't get you, what do you mean ?

 

[Gravy]

Huntsman, I said you before privacy is important and asked you not to show anything about it, please respect that. I'm never gonna give the exact details, you cannot be trusted as I see already now.

Gravy, I don't get you, what do you mean ?

I mean you make wild, serious allegations, but you're too lazy to do any research to find out if they're true. Just a game, I guess. That makes me sad. After that ridiculous post about the "explosion" before the collapses, I encouraged you to do your research. You said you do. But you have continually proven that false.

Remember saying, "I never lie," and then immediately, in the next paragraph, making up a quote that you attributed to me? That's a lie you could have avoided with some research.

Another example: Yesterday you wrote:

What I don’t understand is that it is such a discontinuous process; the block doesn’t hang at a wire, 3.7m above the building, that breaks by a candle flame, but you see a lot of strong intact steel, people standing, steel not popping out one-by one during that hour, but absolute silence in the structure for an hour. But then everything breaks at the same time, fact is that it happened of course, empirical observation, we see a kind of fire explosion and the building starts coming down.

Another example of your shining ignorance and laziness. If you actually have a degree in theoretical physics (btw, perhaps "practical physics" might have served you better), you MUST have some idea of what the scientific method is, but you show no desire to use it to answer your own questions. Should we call you "Little Steven Jones?"

You say "What I don't understand is..." but you haven't done the least bit of research to TRY to understand. If you had, you would have turned up these accounts, which contradict your claims.

Before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. As already mentioned, flying around outside the WTC, the NYPD helicopters reported "an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed." Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed.

Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. –FDNY Chief Joseph Callan
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Callan_Joseph.txt

CALLAN: For me to make the decision to take our firefighters out of the building with civilians still in it, that was very tough for me, but I did that because I did not think the building was safe any longer, and that was just prior to 9:30.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/11/se.41.html

With that as soon as said that the building [north tower] made groan like steel twisting. I didn’t have to tell those guys twice. We just started making line for West Street or the western side, the entrance we came in.

With that we ran out the front. There was, I think, a Chief’s aide sort of as a lookout saying “come on come on come on.” we stopped at the entrance as soon as he waved us on we go. We get to him. He was maybe 50 yards ahead of us, in front of us. On West Street I get to him and he says, “look at the building, Lou. The other one collapsed and this one is collapsing.” he showed me, about 20 stories up you see crack in the building. I look, “holy ****, the other buildings gone.” –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Bohack

Minutes after the south tower collapsed at the World Trade Center, police helicopters hovered near the remaining tower to check its condition. "About 15 floors down from the top, it looks like it's glowing red," the pilot of one helicopter, Aviation 14, radioed at 10:07 a.m. "It's inevitable."

Seconds later, another pilot reported: "I don't think this has too much longer to go. I would evacuate all people within the area of that second building." http://www.mishalov.com/wtc_rescueplan.html

Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall.

The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the pending collapse of the building,'' said Sivaraj Shyam- Sunder, who heads the institute, at a press briefing in New York. ``Any time that information could have been communicated faster to the emergency responders in the buildings, it would have helped save lives.

According to Shyam-Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam-Sunder said.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aCuh.ATdfOXc&refer=top_world_news

At 9:37, a civilian on the 106th floor of the South Tower reported to a 911 operator that a lower floor-the "90-something floor"-was collapsing. - "The 9/11 Commission Report" p304

At that point I could actually visually see the top floors of the north tower starting to give way and that began to collapse. At that point we all began to run north. –Thomas Bendick, FDNY EMT

After that, I got out of there as quick as I could because the building was decaying. I mean, there was fire coming out of it, fire dropping down, and at that point I think we started to notice bodies dropping from the buildings. FDNY LT. George DeSimone

Guys were giving us water, wet rags to put on our head, and we were standing there, and there was a cop I knew who came by and gave me a drink of water, and then as he was standing there, he said, "Aviation just reported that the north tower is leaning." I said, "Which way is it leaning?" He said,"This way." So we started to turn around walking. John Malley, who was right behind me, I turned around for him, because he was doing something, either putting his coat on or something, and as I was looking at him I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.

Q. About how long would you say it was from when the police officer told you it was leaning?

A. Within 30 seconds. –FDNY firefighter Kevin Gorman

We reached the sixth or seventh floor and are met by many firefighters coming down the stairs, informing us that the upper floors are collapsing and that there’s a heavy odor of gas and fuel. –FDNY Firefighter Hugh Mettham

I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse.

I grabbed EMT Zarrillo, I advised him of that information. I told him he was to proceed immediately to the command post where Chief Ganci was located. Told him where it was across the street from number 1 World Trade Center. I told him "You see Chief Ganci and Chief Ganci only. Provide him with the information that the building integrity is severely compromised and they believe the building is in danger of imminent collapse." So, he left off in that direction. –EMS Division Chief John Peruggia

Just at this time, another firefighter began to yell to us from across the street. He was looking up at the Towers and yelled for us to hurry up since he thought the second Tower was about to fall. The two firefighters and myself again picked up the injured man and managed to walk three of four steps when we felt extreme vibration and an incredible noise “like a thousand freight trains.” I knew instantly that the Tower was falling down. –PAPD Inspector Timothy Norris

I was standing there about 15-20 seconds when Inspector Fields ran up to me and said the building was going to come down. –PAPD P.O. Barry Pikaard

While I was on the phone with Stacy at the Police Desk we all of a sudden heard metal creaking. I looked up and saw the North Tower buckling from the top. It looked like the north and west sides of the building were twisting and then separating like a banana peel. –PAPD Detective Edward Rapp

Pedestrians began to form a crow[d] in the streets and I began to tell them to move back as far as the next block before the other building falls. As I continued to wave them back periodically you would hear a loud boom go off at the top of tower one. ...After approximately 15 minutes suddenly there was another loud boom at the upper floors, then there was a series of smaller explosions which appeared to go completely around the building at the upper floors. And another loud earth shattering blast with a large fire ball which blew out more debris and at that point everyone began to run north on West Broad Street. –PAPD P.O. Middleton

FDNY accounts here: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

PAPD accounts here: http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/

Essential reading and photos: NIST: Structural and Fire Protection Damage Due to Aircraft Impact: http://wtc.nist.gov/WTC_Conf_Sep13-15/session6/6McAllister.pdf

So tell us, einsteen, why should WE be doing the research about YOUR claims?

 

[Hellbound]

Huntsman, I said you before privacy is important and asked you not to show anything about it, please respect that. I'm never gonna give the exact details, you cannot be trusted as I see already now.

Actually, you simply asked me not to post the diploma you sent, a request I have respected.

Everything else came from information YOU posted PUBLICLY in this and other threads. As to my question here, you could have responded via PM with a "yea" or "nay", and possibly (if yea) closed this issue.

And so I maintain my position that you do not hold a physics degree. You've shown nothing to indicate otherwise. You seemed all ready to fall back on your personal reputation earlier in the debate, when you thought it would lend weight to your assertions...now you're suddenly shy and don't want to back up your statements. Fair enough, the issue of wether or not you have a degree is secondary in any case (and only pursued to show character).

So, anything yet to back up your various assertions that a non-intact block would somehow be immune to conservation of momentum or gravity? Any physics to show that the edge of a dust cloud is an accurate representation of a ballistic trajectory? Any indication, whatsoever, that you understand physics at a basic, Newtonian, high school level, and can use that knowledge to put forth a reasonable hypothesis?

Didn't think so. I'm still waiting.

 

[einsteen]

I will provide a calculation especially for you.

 

[cloudshipsrule]

Einsteen, is English your native language? (Don't take the question the wrong way, I'm just asking.)

 

[einsteen]

No, but I'm not insulted if you say it sucks...

ps. Huntie I'm not that guy, master thesises never appear online. I had it once online using but you won't find it even not in archive.org, but as you already clearly said, if you talk bull then your background doesn't matter

 

[cloudshipsrule]

I don't think it sucks. I was just curious. In fact, it's quite good for a non-native speaker.

 

[einsteen]

It took a while for me to learn it, even after school lessons it was bad, i've learned more from 10 years internet and reading English books than from all English lessons. In most European countries the TV is completely English, in Germany they overdub it, in Belgium or the Netherlands they use subtitles. The whole music top 50 is English etc.