Flyover Witnesses

[jaydeehess]

The explosives were planted INSIDE the building to simulate the damage of a 757 impact limited to underneath the 1st two floors and ending with the suspicious perfectly round c-ring hole.


The fireball was NOT a detonation but a deflagration and was likely created with pyrotechnics meant to simulate a jet fuel explosion and cause a massive diversion to the plane flying over the building.


There is no reason to suggest there was any debris in the fireball.

.....

...The plane would be past the fireball by the time it rose.

Whatever minimal debris was within the fireball wouldn't have necessarily affected the plane that would already have passed the facade of the building.

1) The fireball was a "deflagration" of the fuel, yes. however minimizing the blast that way you ignore the fact that the entire front of the ground floor, blast hardened, concrete wall is missing. Obviously THAT would require some HE of some sort to go off prior to the pyrotechnic fireball.

SO, LYTE, where is the debris of that missing wall? It would have to have been blown outward. It is not on the lawn or on the hard surface near building. It must have mostly evporated. It certainly could not be blown inward since that would require the explosives, which would have to be placed every couple of feet along the wall to do the job, to be planted on the OUTSIDE of the wall. Even then the force that would be blowing that debris inward would also be carrying that fireball in the wrong direction.
No, the fireball is best explained by a fuel explosion, deflagration if you must, after the wall was torn inward by being hit by a massive object.

2) If the plane was past the front of the building before the fireball occured then there are witnesses who will state that there was space between the roof of the building and the aircraft just before impact. Once again then , if anyone who witnessed that was duped into believing that the plane hit the Pentagon then they will be quite adamant that the plane hit the upper floors.
Got those witnesses Lyte?

So far you have no one, no one at all, anywhere who says anything about a plane that approached and flew over the building or that hit the upper floors.

 

[The Pig]

In the OP, you were asked to name anybody who "observed a plane head toward the Pentagon and suddenly pull up without hitting it".

It couldn't be clearer what you're being asked for. Address this point, not a point of your choice.

This thread reminds me of this:

 

[boloboffin]

Only if we dismiss the north of the Citgo story out of hand? We do no such thing! The physical evidence dismisses the north of the Citgo story.

 

[roger]

Come back here with that!

 

[twinstead]

Only if we dismiss the north of the Citgo story out of hand? We do no such thing! The physical evidence dismisses the north of the Citgo story.

I'm trying to figure out why anybody would expect us NOT to dismiss the north of Citgo story. The majority of eye witnesses do not support it. ALL the physical evidence does not support it. ALL the forensic evidence supports that a plane with passengers crashed into it.

What on Earth would a rational person do in that situation? Automatically assume all of the evidence is planted and the witnesses are mistaken or lying because a couple witnesses out of dozens have some conflicting accounts? I'd like to see an event witnessed by that many people that doesn't have a few rogue witnesses. You'd think Lyte with all his massive investigation experience would know that.

The official story has been presented for the whole world to see. Anybody who wants us to suspect it is fabricated needs to have some pretty extraordinary and compelling evidence.

Oh, and a court of law or a Congressional investigation or whatever would expect the same thing.

So when exactly do we get to see this rock-solid, incontrovertible evidence, Lyte? If you think what you spew on this forum satisfies that requirement then you have got to be the worst investigator ever.

 

[Bobert]

Craig,
You aren't interested in truth Craig Ranke.

You have carved yourself a little place in the internet world and it satisfies your ego to have your admirers suck up to you and swallow your garbage info at the peril of the future of our country and the world.

You have devoted your life to debating and pathetically attempting to "debunk" people you believe to be lunatics pushing absurd theories.

The fact that you don't realize how pathetic that really is proves you do this to bask in the glory of your ego.

BTW I hear that you and Aldo have grown even closer these days.

 

[twinstead]

Craig,
You aren't interested in truth Craig Ranke.

You have carved yourself a little place in the internet world and it satisfies your ego to have your admirers suck up to you and swallow your garbage info at the peril of the future of our country and the world.

You have devoted your life to debating and pathetically attempting to "debunk" people you believe to be lunatics pushing absurd theories.

The fact that you don't realize how pathetic that really is proves you do this to bask in the glory of your ego.

BTW I hear that you and Aldo have grown even closer these days.

Actually, lunatics pushing absurd theories pretty much nails it.

 

[T.A.M.]

Bobert:

Welcome back. You should be made aware, that the CT subforum is under stricter moderation now, and your language and tone, may get reported and get you a warning.

Just letting you know, as we wouldn't wanna lose ya as quick as you returned.

TAM

 

[Wartrac]

Plus YOU DO NOT KNOW what people reported and neither will ANYONE know because the 911 calls were quickly confiscated and permanently sequestered.

This fact ALONE has serious implications.

Ok.......

First the Citgo witnesses are correct about the north side flight path.....however are "tricked" into thinking there was an impact. Not to mention one of the Officers talks about his explosives background and says that was no demolition type explosive.

Now you are insinuating that there are 911 calls that possibly speak of a second plane and/or fly over of the single plane.

Soooooo let me ask this.....

If there are people out there that saw a flyover or anything that remotely goes against an impact.....why are they not speaking out? I mean you would think that someone would be on TV saying....."I saw the plane fly right over the Pentagon like it was on a bombing run".

Not one single person.......not one. Just like there is not one person on record saying there was a flyover.

You also state....they may have planted plane debris on the lawn prior to the "staged impact". So not one person driving by saw this?.....not one person sitting at the window of their office at the Pentagon saw this?....those are not overly small pieces to just dump on the lawn.

No witnesses to a flyover......

No witnesses to planted debris on the lawn...

No witnesses to the planted light poles....

No witnesses to the planted cab with the broken windshield....

Three of the northside fly over state they saw the impact.....

The other actually shows the flight path of the OT.....

No witnesses on the other side of the Pentagon speaking of a low flying jet at top speed going over rooftops....or climbing quickly or anything at all around the time of the impact. Again....forget the 911 tapes not one person has come up and said one word. With 84% of the nation thinking 9-11 was an inside job and the population around the Pentagon....that should be several hundred if not a few thousand people that would have saw something flying out of there at a high rate of speed.

 

[Hyperviolet]

That's got to be a Stundie (more seriously though, false dichotomy fallacy.)

What the hell haha

"Well, your honour, as the witness just stated : the plane hit the building. We can then conclude that the plane flew over the building."

 

[Calcas]

YOU DO NOT KNOW what people reported and neither will ANYONE know because the 911 calls were quickly confiscated and permanently sequestered.

This fact ALONE has serious implications.

So, let me get this stright.

First, you ADMIT there are zero reports of any witnesses who reported a flyover. Correct?

Now, you suggest that because the 9-11 tapes were "sequestered" that somehow also suggests that there could very well be people who called in to report one, right?

So, follow me here... do you think that ANYONE who MIGHT have seen one and called 9-11 that day (to report a "flyover") might have wanted to CALL someone in the media in the next day or two to report it?

There must have been hundreds of people who witnessed it. What person in their right mind would "sit" on something of this magnitude? Were they all "brainwashed" into thinking that they "had" to believe the OCT and shouldn't report something of like this?

Is THIS what you base your theory on????

Wow.

Just wow.

 

[WildCat]

There must have been hundreds of people who witnessed it. What person in their right mind would "sit" on something of this magnitude? Were they all "brainwashed" into thinking that they "had" to believe the OCT and shouldn't report something of like this?

I've asked him this before. It is in fact what he believes.

 

[sts60]

Me: But I just had one question:

How many witnesses reported an airliner fly low to the ground, at the Pentagon, then pull up at the last minute and fly over it? How many, exactly?

uk_dave:
In round figures?

At the last count it was 0.

Lyte Trip:
YOU DO NOT KNOW what people reported and neither will ANYONE know because the 911 calls were quickly confiscated and permanently sequestered.

I take that to mean you have no reports from anybody of an airliner flying low to the ground, heading for the Pentagon, then pulling up at the last minute and flying over it? Is that right? I just want to be clear on this point.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Only if you dismiss the proven north side claim out of hand.

Which you all do.

Might have something to do with it not bing proven...Just a hunch.

 

[Calcas]

I take that to mean you have no reports from anybody of an airliner flying low to the ground, heading for the Pentagon, then pulling up at the last minute and flying over it? Is that right? I just want to be clear on this point.

Yes, that's correct.

But, he simply chooses to NEVER reply to this question.

BTW,

Crazy people don't know that they're crazy.

 

[A W Smith]

Produce the flyover witnesses Lyte or concede

Once again we have to go back on the merry go round.

Paik did not even have a view of the Navy Annex or the plane once it went by.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/edwards_killer_view.jpg

The plane also has to remain on the south side of Columbia Pike at all times:

Using the bent pieced together photo again I see, Thats Dishonest Lyte.

Your Citgo is also off. Are you trying to be deceptive?

That accusation is foolish, Curt shows the citgo further south in your favor Lyte. In actuality the citgo is further north by about 50 feet when referenced using the connecting corridor roofs of the navy annex.

Here is the most honest representation of the flight path for edward, because he is not looking at it from a weird elevated angle with the Pentagon in the background and him trying to match up the flight path with where he remembers the impact being. You can even see the pen mark where he first marked in the area of the impact.

Using Paiks flight path and you already admit he couldn't see the annex I produce this flight path. yes Lyte you have seen this twice before and folded. Shall I bring up your posts? When are you going to produce flyover witnesses lyte? your theory completely fails without them.

 

[sts60]

Yes, that's correct.

But, he simply chooses to NEVER reply to this question.

BTW,

Crazy people don't know that they're crazy.

Well, I'm not qualified to judge someone's sanity; I'm no psychologist.

I'd just like for Lyte Trip to state exactly how many eyewitness accounts he has seen or heard of an airliner flowing low over the ground, at the Pentagon as if to hit it, then pull up and fly over it. That's all.

 

[T.A.M.]

He doesnt have to have any such "witnesses" as he will simply default to...

"Noone witnessing the fly over is just more proof that they were all fooled by the USG slight of hand illusion."

Where is that "head shaking in dispair" smilie I asked for!!!

TAM

 

[WildCat]

Crazy people don't know that they're crazy.

And stupid people don't know that they're stupid. Because they're stupid.

 

[Calcas]

And stupid people don't know that they're stupid. Because they're stupid.

And deluded people...

But dishonest people often do.

It makes me wonder where he fits...