Flyover Witnesses

[twinstead]

LOL it's called using your techniques against you Lyte. Frustrating, isn't it?

 

[lapman]

Ok. Here is what we have so far:

1. Edward Paik - Did not witness flyover
   
2. Robert Turcios - Did not witness flyover
   
3. Sgt. Brooks - Did not witness flyover.
4. Sgt. Lagasse - Did not witness flyover.

Well, Lyte. You're now 0 for 4. The OP specifically states "eyewitnesses to the flyover." Not speculation or conjecture based on witness testimony. So, where are the eyewitnesses of an airplane flying through the fireball and over the Pentagon?

 

[DavidJames]

We know the data we have is conclusive...

and yet you refuse to take your data to the authorities and refuse to take your data to the media, instead, you chat on Internet forums.

I think a reasonable person could reach the conclusion you know your data is a crock of crap and you're only in this for your own ego.

Then again, you could prove me wrong by showing evidence you've sent the data to the authorities and media. But you won't.

I think a reasonable person could reach the conclusion you are a liar.

 

[Lyte Trip]

and yet you refuse to take your data to the authorities and refuse to take your data to the media, instead, you chat on Internet forums.

Nonsense.

We have approached authorities AND media both local and federal.

We will continue to do so on a regular basis until they pay attention to this information.

 

[Pardalis]

We have approached authorities AND media both local and federal.

What did they say?

my guess is gtfo

 

[Lyte Trip]

Mysterious? I thought it was the c130.

Thought everyone knew that.....

Only people who refuse to research information.

Lt. Col. Steve O'Brien did not see the plane hit the building OR even know it was the Pentagon that got "hit" so clearly he was not the plane that was reported flying over the Pentagon.

C-130 Pilot Steve O'Brien: "I distinctly remember having a difficult time keeping the AA flight in sight after we turned back to the east to follow it per a request from Wash. Departure Control. When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC. It was then that I was able to see the sun reflecting off the Potomac and the runway at Wash. Nat'l and thought to myself that the AA flight must have had some sort of IFE and was trying to make it back to National Airport."

 

[Gravy]

What did they say?

my guess is gtfo

"I'm sorry, the restrooms aren't open to the public."

Federal media?

 

[pomeroo]

So there you go kids.

Ample evidence of a plane flying over the Pentagon.

Translation: ZERO WITNESSES CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN A PLANE HEAD TOWARD THE PENTAGON, THEN PULL UP AND FLY OVER IT.

You can have no explanation for this data without dismissing it out of hand or conceding that a plane flew over the building.

Even if you believe this was a 2nd plane the point is that you MUST accept that a plane flew over the building THAT WAS NOT WIDELY REPORTED OR SEEN BY MOST OF THE WITNESSES.

There is overwhelming evidence, wreckage of the plane and remains of the passengers, that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, killing everyone on board. You have produced absolutely NOTHING to support your eccentric and baseless speculations.

So if this is the case then you can no longer say that the finite number of media accounts proves a flyover didn't happen.

Nobody--NOT A SINGLE WITNESS--observed your imaginary "flyover."

We believe there are more reports of this in the 911 calls.

Your guess is groundless. It is based on nothing and is contradicted by the known facts.

We believe there are more witnesses to this as well who have either written off what they saw as an inconsequential 2nd plane or are too scared to talk about what they saw.

You have demonstrated your inability to produce A SINGLE WITNESS TO YOUR IMAGINARY "FLYOVER."

Tell us why a second plane in the area would not be inconsequential. Explain its significance.

We have talked to SEVERAL previously unpublished witnesses who describe the plane as NOT looking like an AA jet but with different coloring.

Most unpublished witnesses describe it as "white".

Unsubstantiated drivel. You have nothing.

No matter how you look at it any plane that flew over the building was considered unimportant to the official story and therefore either not reported by the media or not mentioned by the witnesses because it was not the plane that "hit the building".

There is not a shred of evidence suggesting that a plane flew over the Pentagon. If, as is entirely possible, there was another plane in the area, SO WHAT?

These are just SOME of the questions in regards to the anomalous and extremely dubious official Pentagon story.

Did I mention that Russell Pickering has proven that the evidence was tampered with?

Funny, the more you rave, the more those "questions" seem to evaporate. I don't think there are any real questions about the crash of Flight 77.

Russell Pickering is not a serious investigator, but you already knew that.


It sounds as though you are ready to bring down the curtain on a truly rotten show, Lyte. Please do it.

 

[Pardalis]

btw Ron, you're almost there with he quote boxes.

 

[Gravy]

Which witness saw an airliner zoom past at treetop level and pull up, narrowly missing the Pentagon, Craig Ranke?

None? Really? Then what the hell are you doing?

You don't have a single witness who supports your theory, and you have several witnesses who you try to abuse who saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon!

It simply doesn't get any more pathetic, anywhere on earth, than the "research" of Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis.

 

[Arus808]

Why dont we keep the debate to the other threads? Please keep it on topic, and keep a running tally of all the witnesses that Lyte provides

so far its 0 - 4


Lapman is running a nice tally. just keep it simple.

Funny how when we use the same tactics that lyte uses against us, he gets all flustered.


0-4

Next witness Lyte.

 

[boloboffin]

Steve O'Brien in the C-130 didn't see the impact, so he couldn't have been the second plane.

Dude, wait. What?

 

[DGM]

Only people who refuse to research information.

Lt. Col. Steve O'Brien did not see the plane hit the building OR even know it was the Pentagon that got "hit" so clearly he was not the plane that was reported flying over the Pentagon.

C-130 Pilot Steve O'Brien: "I distinctly remember having a difficult time keeping the AA flight in sight after we turned back to the east to follow it per a request from Wash. Departure Control. When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC. It was then that I was able to see the sun reflecting off the Potomac and the runway at Wash. Nat'l and thought to myself that the AA flight must have had some sort of IFE and was trying to make it back to National Airport."

You are aware that there are no windows in the floor of a c-130. If he was over it he wouldn't see it.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It's over, Lyte.

There was no 2nd plane. There was no flyover.

Learn to live with disappointment.

 

[pomeroo]

Nonsense.

We have approached authorities AND media both local and federal.

We will continue to do so on a regular basis until they pay attention to this information.

You are certainly lying. You should march over to the National desk of the NY Times or the Washington Post (as I said in an earlier post, you won't be able to con us into believing that they're covering-up for Bush) and present your "evidence." Either you're exposing the most gigantic conspiracy of all time or you're a complete fraud.

 

[pomeroo]

btw Ron, you're almost there with he quote boxes.

Hey, I'm slow! Whaddaya want from me? Seriously, what am I still missing?

 

[uk_dave]

Whatever you want to believe.

So why didn't all the other witnesses see or report this "2nd plane"?

Does this prove there was no "2nd plane" and that these accounts are fabricated or does it prove that all of these people hallucinated the "2nd plane" just like you believe all the citgo witnesses hallucinated the plane on the north side of the station?

ummmmmm whoaaaa there sparky, no one disputes that there was another plane in the air at the time of the impact.

The fact that you concede that there was a second plane leaves no room for the first plane to pull up and fly over the pentagon (you might want to re-think your stance on that one pardner)

But, ya know, y'all are gettin' ya jets mixed up with ya props.....

the point is, people are really.....and i mean this most sincerely folks, really **** at judging distance and speed when the object in question is not something they have ever had to judge the speed and distance of before. So, if someone tells me they saw an 'object' crash into...another 'object' I can be fairly certain that this is what they saw.... but.... if that person tells me that the .... 'object' was flying at 23 ft and 237mph before it crashed into the other .... 'object' then I'd have to object to their assessment of that object because they don't have the skills necessary to make that assessment and when a couple on no-name private dicks come along to investigate the object which crashed into the other object I have to question their objectivity if they don't even ****ing bother to try to find a witness who will contradict their obviously non-objective claims regarding the object...in question.

 

[nicepants]

Unfortunately for Keith we have had a dialog with the C-130 pilot himself who claims he did NOT see the plane hit the building or even know it was the pentagon that was hit so therefore the plane that Keith saw fly over the Pentagon had to be something else.

Please give the name of the pilot you spoke with, along with his exact words.

Which pilot did you speak with? Lt. Colonel Steve OBrien, the pilot of that C-130 tells a different story. (video link to interview @ 26min)

"It had that distinctive silver finish. In our minds, it was definitely an American Airlines aircraft. And as he moved to our 11 o'clock position, he started his turn, and by the time he was at our 12 o'clock position right out in front of the aircraft, he was rolled up in about I would estimate about 30 to 40 degrees of bank..."

"and then all of the sudden we saw this big explosion, and I keyed the mike again and said 'Washington, this is Gopher 0-6, that plane has hit the west side of the pentagon"

 

[Lyte Trip]

Which witness saw an airliner zoom past at treetop level and pull up, narrowly missing the Pentagon, Craig Ranke?

None? Really? Then what the hell are you doing?

You don't have a single witness who supports your theory, and you have several witnesses who you try to abuse who saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon!

It simply doesn't get any more pathetic, anywhere on earth, than the "research" of Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis.

Everything we cite is fully supported by independently verified evidence.

Exactly what you can't be bothered with providing to back up your claims in your silly blogs.

All you do is dismiss the evidence we present out of hand.

We have proven that all the initial questions about the physical evidence were 100% justified.

The north side claim is not a theory.

CIT did not make up the north side claim.

Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis have PROVEN with confirmed EVIDENCE that the plane flew on the north side.

There is not a single account in the entire investigative body of evidence that directly contradicts it yet you are happy to dismiss it with the wave of a hand.

You aren't interested in truth Mark Roberts.

You have carved yourself a little place in the internet world and it satisfies your ego to have your admirers suck up to you and swallow your garbage info at the peril of the future of our country and the world.

You have devoted your life to debating and pathetically attempting to "debunk" people you believe to be lunatics pushing absurd theories.

The fact that you don't realize how pathetic that really is proves you do this to bask in the glory of your ego.

 

[Lyte Trip]

ummmmmm whoaaaa there sparky, no one disputes that there was another plane in the air at the time of the impact.

Really?

The c-130 pilot disputes it was him!

So who do you think it was?

C-130 Pilot Steve O'Brien: "I distinctly remember having a difficult time keeping the AA flight in sight after we turned back to the east to follow it per a request from Wash. Departure Control. When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC. It was then that I was able to see the sun reflecting off the Potomac and the runway at Wash. Nat'l and thought to myself that the AA flight must have had some sort of IFE and was trying to make it back to National Airport."