Flyover Witnesses

Lyte Trip said:
His account is beyond implausible but in light of the testimony from the witnesses who were at the CITGO station placing the plane on the north side it has been shown that Lloyd's account is a complete fabrication.
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Here's your problem, Lyte. You start by assuming that your Citgo witnesses are correct, then conclude that anyone who disagrees with them is wrong. This is a cognitive bias.

What evidence could prove that the Citgo witnesses were wrong? And what evidence would prove that they were correct?
 
Lyte Trip said:
What witness accounts are you talking about?

There might be about one or two who perfectly support the official flight path.......the most significant being Lloyd England and yes we have proven that he is an accomplice to this crime whether or not he participated willingly.
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Oh, I believe I have witnessed you on these forums calling more than just poor Lloyd a liar or a plant Lyte. Correct?

Now you might wish to address whether or not the rest of my summation is correct or not.
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To sum up, if no one has done that recently, Lyte is saying that there are no witnesses who can say that they saw a plane approach the Pentagon then pull up and over the building just before the fireball.

instead he claims that everyone, looking upon the scene from anywhere, was fooled into believing that the plane had hit the building and that of all the witnesses only 4 were not fooled into believeing that the plane that hit the Pentagon came along the path of the knocked down poles, and furthermore only 1 person witnessed the plane pulling up at any time during the last few seconds.
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Since he has replied to posts before and after my latest, I assume he must have simply missed my question in post 315 and followups, so I will repeat if for Lyte Trip's convenience:

How many 9/11 eyewitnesses have said they saw an airliner flowing low over the ground, at the Pentagon as if to hit it, then saw it pull up and fly over it?

All I'm interested in is a nonnegative integer. Thanks.
 
sts60 said:
Since he has replied to posts before and after my latest, I assume he must have simply missed my question in post 315 and followups, so I will repeat if for Lyte Trip's convenience:

How many 9/11 eyewitnesses have said they saw an airliner flowing low over the ground, at the Pentagon as if to hit it, then saw it pull up and fly over it?

All I'm interested in is a nonnegative integer. Thanks.
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If Lyte would answer whether or not the first line of my post is correct or not
ie/"To sum up, if no one has done that recently, Lyte is saying that there are no witnesses who can say that they saw a plane approach the Pentagon then pull up and over the building just before the fireball.

Then you should have your answer, sts.
 
T.A.M. said:
Bobert:

Welcome back. You should be made aware, that the CT subforum is under stricter moderation now, and your language and tone, may get reported and get you a warning.

Just letting you know, as we wouldn't wanna lose ya as quick as you returned.

TAM:)
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Thanks Tam!
:)
I should have made it more clear.......
What I posted was the same thing that Craig posted towards Mark Roberts.
:D
 
Lyte Trip said:
I have no interest in proving to you who we have approached with this information and I am not particularly concerned with your unsupported personal attacks.

We have approached media and authorities both local and federal and we will continue to do so until they pay attention to the conclusive evidnece we present.
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You mean until they quit laughing at you, don't you? Because I know not a single one is taking you seriously!

"Thanks for coming. We'll be in touch. Don't call us, we have your number."

Bet that's pretty close to verbatim, isn't it?
 
JimBenArm said:
You mean until they quit laughing at you, don't you? Because I know not a single one is taking you seriously!

"Thanks for coming. We'll be in touch. Don't call us, we have your number."

Bet that's pretty close to verbatim, isn't it?
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Why wouldn't Lyte post who he's contacted? It would support his position and lend credibility to his claim that he seek justice.

But he refuses, why?
 
Lyte Trip said:
What witness accounts are you talking about?

There might be about one or two who perfectly support the official flight path.......the most significant being Lloyd England and yes we have proven that he is an accomplice to this crime whether or not he participated willingly.
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No, you have not "proved" anything to date. It is impossible for anyone to be an accomplice to a crime that didn't occur. Your mathematically-impossible conspiracy doesn't exist.
 
LT has a line in the OP of his thread concerning pomeroo's anaolgy that is perhaps best responded to here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88282


None of these unconfirmed accounts can accurately be considered valid evidence because all of them remain subject to misinterpretation and worse yet misreporting.
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Misinterpretation is precisly what Lyte does with Robert's 'first hand' quote as to the fireball and the impact.

Robert states, concerning the plane's impact, that his view was "still" obscured and that all he saw was the fireball. It is quite obvious that Robert is reffering to the fact that the plane descended below his line of sight beyond the overpass and that he infers the impact because he saw the plane going down and then saw the fireball. Very importantly then he did not see the plane rise again from below the highway.

Lyte on the other hand twists Robert's words to mean that the view of the plane was "still obscured" by the fireball when Robert infered impact. This mkes no sense whatsoever since it would require that Robert has the fireball occuring before an impact he did not see because the plane was behind the fireball.
In other posts Lyte has stated that the fireball did not occur until after the plane had passed the front of the building.

Robert must also be quite accepting of a large fireball occuring well enough in advance of the impact to be describing his view of the plane as "still" being obscured by it when in fact any normal person would be expecting that fireball to have been caused BY the impact which means it cannot occur before impact and which means that Robert is in fact not saying that the fireball obscured his view of the plane.
 
I don’t think I have the stomach the read all nine pages of this thread. So, I wonder if someone could tell me: How many witnesses who specifically report a fly-over has Lyte Trip been able to list?
 
Par said:
I don’t think I have the stomach the read all nine pages of this thread. So, I wonder if someone could tell me: How many witnesses who specifically report a fly-over has Lyte Trip been able to list?
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You are asking about the Lapman List. The number of flyover witnesses quickly shot up to ZERO and has remained there.
 
pomeroo said:
You are asking about the Lapman List. The number of flyover witnesses quickly shot up to ZERO and has remained there.
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And at least one of the four witnesses he cited regarding the presence of a second plane doesn't appear to say what he claimed.

(And I didn't check the veracity of the other three.)

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I don't have time to read a nine page thread. I imagine a lot of witnesses have been identified in nine pages. So, in summary, how many witnesses are there?
 
Zero? I demand a recount!

0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + .... + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 +

bear with me, this is going to take awhile...
 
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