Flight 77 hit the ground first?

[jaydeehess]

Recovery of the port wingtip outside the Pentagon would indeed illustrate to CT's that
a) not all of the plane went into the building(though the other parts on the lawn also show this)
b) That the piece of wingtip itself is not consistent with aGlobal Hawk, an F-4, a 737,,,,etc.

 

[MG1962]

Yes there is.

-Gumboot

Clearly the image has been photoshopped. Probably with using Windows 1913 or such. But the point is. No shadows, no penguins, and no red and stripped pole marking the spot. I bet they couldn't even produce the GPS they used to guide them to the spot

 

[Oliver]

Good point. This common attitude (no offense Ollie) that all things must have back up via video or photo is a common CT mindset. *snip*

Well, we know that Flight77 hit - so without any photos or videos
about the wingparts we can't use the story against the twoof. Sorry,
i'm in Ninja-Mode and need more practical stuff...

 

[PhantomWolf]

Well, we know that Flight77 hit

Only because there is evidence for it (the eyewitnesses, the wreckage in the building, the radar tracking, the recovery of the passengers' bodies.)

Having confirmation of the wingtip adds further evidence to the list.

without any photos or videos about the wingparts we can't use the story against the twoof.

Generally when I post it's not for the "twoofers" but the lurkers. Those that have found the "TRUTH^TM" aren't going to change their minds even if God were to appear and tell them what happened. You could take them to a hanger with Flight 77 reconstructed and all the serial numbers glowing on every piece and they'd just claim that it was crashed somewhere else and taken there, or chopped up and the reassembled. They are unreachable, the lurkers who are undecided aren't, and they are the ones that growing evidence will reach and persuade.

Sorry, i'm in Ninja-Mode and need more practical stuff...

Possibly.

Actually I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in some ways. With the BAUT shutting down their conspiracy section to just Space based ones, and with only the regulars on AH, I had hoped that the larger number of 9/11 debaters here might have a) known more about this piece of information and b) been more interested in learning more if they didn't. It almost seems to be a "ho hum" we know what happen, we don't need more evidence for it.

Personally I'm the other way, when I learn new evidence again the Hoax/Conspiracy/whatever I get excited and what to know more because I can guarantee that it'll be used in the future.

 

[T.A.M.]

Well if you are trying to argue with the twoofers, you are right, only video and photos will do. I imagine the ability to read anything technical is extremely limited for most of them...and takes too much time away from their play stations.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Actually I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in some ways. With the BAUT shutting down their conspiracy section to just Space based ones, and with only the regulars on AH, I had hoped that the larger number of 9/11 debaters here might have a) known more about this piece of information and b) been more interested in learning more if they didn't. It almost seems to be a "ho hum" we know what happen, we don't need more evidence for it.

Personally I'm the other way, when I learn new evidence again the Hoax/Conspiracy/whatever I get excited and what to know more because I can guarantee that it'll be used in the future.

This Forum, as time goes on, I think, will lose some of its Zeal, due to, as I have mentioned before, WFS (Woo Fatigue Syndrome). It is hard for alot of the senior members here to get excited about every little bit of new evidence, as I think over all alot of them have become fatigued by the plethora of garbage thrown at them by twoofers. I think, unfortunately, this fatigue occasionally spills over to our response to evidence in favor/supporting the official story.

IMO

TAM

 

[PhantomWolf]

Possibly true, which is a shame really. With a lot of discoveries coming to light, such as this, and the passanger remains uncovered at ground zero with the removal of the temporary road and more (especially if the various dept's allow out more of the stuff that is being help in case of a court case) then unless they are investigated deeper and used, they'll get lost in the mire of CT rubbish. Perhaps if we can't silence the CT's with logic (something that seems totally unknown to them in any way shape or form) we can bury them in the piles of paper reporting the evidence (like Gravy's Folder)

 

[R.Mackey]

I would suggest that it isn't so much fatigue on our part as it is on the part of the Troothers.

Honestly, right now we have, what, about four of them working? One is an unashamed neo-Nazi, one has no theory at all but is all bent out of shape over COINTELPRO, one just snipes, and the last seems to disbelieve everything "just because."

Contrast that to the situation eight months ago. Loose Change was actually coming out with new editions, large rallies were organizing for the 5th Anniversary, and the "Scholars" were cranking out new stupid whitepapers left and right. We were pretty well mobilized then.

These days, there's just not much worth responding to. The "Trooth Movement" has shot its bolt. You hardly see me, not to mention the heavyweights like Gravy, posting here anymore. There's just no need.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I can post the garbled mess we're getting from them on AH if you like, but you'd have to put up with going around in circles till you feel like you have been in a dryer.

 

[R.Mackey]

No thanks. I've done my share of "round and round" over here.

These days, I mostly poke my nose into the argument if there's a genuine opportunity for education all round. Or if I'm in a bad mood. By now I've seen pretty much every conceivable argument -- heck, some time ago I even asked them to come up with their best people and best arguments, and they came up with bupkis.

The feeble sparring that remains is nothing more than late-to-the-party Troothers retracing steps on a lost battleground. Keeping those arguments going does nothing apart from enabling their self-destructive obsessions.

 

[greyleonard]

The feeble sparring that remains is nothing more than late-to-the-party Troothers retracing steps on a lost battleground.

Great way to put it, and I've noticed the same thing.