Flight 77 flight path

[mudlark]

is the driving range on the official flight path?

The north side path is.

Jamal El'Kournayati is the witness who was on the driving range.

Witnesses to this leg of the flight path are in this presentation.

 

[twinstead]

Again...have I called anybody a shill?

Mark Petitt´s testimony needs to be dug into further but given the paths I posted, not knowing exactly where he was and the fact that the NOC path is actually closer to the I-395, then intersects with the official path it needs further investigation.
Especially given the fact that we know the plane went over the Annex.

The DNA and physical evidence, as well as the majority of eye-witness testimony, shows the plane impacted the Pentagon. Any witnesses you provide are anomalous and are therefore discarded.

See how fun this is?

 

[tj15]

William Middleton claims to have felt the heat from the plane. Is this possible if the plane is on the south path?

 

[tj15]

The north side path is.

Jamal El'Kournayati is the witness who was on the driving range.

Witnesses to this leg of the flight path are in this presentation.

I'm asking whether the driving range is on the official path. Can it be on both paths?

 

[GlennB]

You must be looking at the wrong photo.
The plane passes over his positioning.

mudlark - the blue line would require an astonishing degree of bank, pulling terrifying G's, for an airliner. Even if it were aeronautically possible (which is doubtful, but arguable) nobody - but nobody - reported any such thing about AA77 on 9/11.

Not even the supposed NOC witnesses.

Do you understand this? Do you understand why it means the blue line is simply impossible?

 

[mudlark]

Originally Posted by mudlark
If you are asking if there was oppurtunity for someone to plant anything as you say in ´broad daylight´, of course there was.

Sure, the fork lift to haul the heavy aircraft parts was disguised as a pink elephant! The asbestos suit wearing perps walking into the fire were just ignored as everyone thought they were aliens from space.

Doesn´t change the fact that there was opportunity.
Remember there was also renovation work and empty offices.
Speculation but again opportunity.
Exactly what ´heavy aircraft parts´ are you talking about?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Especially given the fact that we know the plane went over the Annex.

That's possible, but in the video you cited earlier for its alleged proof of 10.14g, Rob Balsamo insists that the plane had to have gone over the VDOT antenna, not the Navy annex.

Rob is more likely to be right about that than about the 10.14g:
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/will/Music/Jokes/Balsamo/balsamo2.html

Whatever happened to your respect for mathematics?

 

[twinstead]

mudlark your witnesses are irrelevant.

 

[beachnut]

You must be looking at the wrong photo.
The plane passes over his positioning.

Please show the work done by professional pilots. Bank angles speeds and G force please.

This is funny. You posted a turn requiring 80.25 degrees of bank, and 5.9 Gs. The wings would crack off. This is what professional morons at p4t give you?

80 degrees of bank never seen on 911 by any witness sinks your ideas.

No one has debunked or refuted the FDR with facts and evidence. The final seconds of Flight 77 were on a true track of 61.2 to 61.5 degrees at impact. Sorry, but at 483 KIAS, over 500 mph, small bank angles (less than 30 to 45 degree) do not turn the plane. The turn radius which you and p4t can't figure out at 30 to 45 degree is greater than 20,000 to 35,000 feet. You posted an impossible turn radius due to complete lack of knowledge of flight dynamics, something p4t can't do due to their paranoid "offer no theory" to mess with DVD sales fraud.

Failure for 8 years personified by p4t and CIT.

 

[tj15]

Is Jamal El'Kournayati on the official flight path?

 

[Reheat]

You must be looking at the wrong photo.
The plane passes over his positioning.

[qimg]http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/BothPathsOverhead.jpg[/qimg]

Uh, no it doesn't pass over his position! Not even in the slightest.

Here's his statements:

“The Attack

I had just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO/Federal Office Building (FOB) #2 – call it approximately 9:36 AM. I was already trying to make some sense out of the World Trade Tower attacks having heard about them on the radio. The news was sketchy, but the fact that it was a terrorist attack was already known. I then realized that I was wearing sunglasses and needed to go back to Lot 3 to retrieve my clear lenses. Since it was by no means a short walk to my car, I was upset with myself for being so distracted. Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.

Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off roughly ½ mile in front of you. At once there was a huge cloud of black smoke that rose several hundred feet up. Elapsed time from hearing the initial noise to when I saw the impact flash was between 12 and 15 seconds.

The Reaction
Many of the FOB people had been looking at the news reports flowing out of the attack on the World Trade Center Towers, going about their normal work routine as they watched. Maybe half or a bit more already knew of the New York attacks. However, within seconds of the impact -- less than a minute after the FOB flyover-- several thousand people started exiting the FOB.”
Source: http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm

You idiots lie about it and hope no one notices. Even in the latest "National Security" crap Morin is quoted as saying the aircraft would have hit the new USAF Memorial and that's NOT NOC. You idiots lie with impunity and hope no one notices. Gullible fools swallow it without critique and then LIE about it when questioned.

You have been busted! Go find some other hobby, you're a failure at this.

 

[bje]

I showed both the official path and the NOC path.

Sorry, you can't produce anyone who claimed to have seen this:

 

[mudlark]

Sure, One Shot. That mass murdering Cab Driver, Lloyde England!

I can add my undying gratitude to you for posting the most ridiculous flight path ever. What the hell boy, ya ever plane in a plane before??

Why do you let Craig and Aldo lie to you?

Do you deny that the plane flew over the Navy Annex?
I´m presenting what witnesses described.
What I find ridiculous are the g-forces necessary according to the FDR data to substantiate the official path.
How many witnesses described it?

 

[twinstead]

Do you deny that the plane flew over the Navy Annex?
I´m presenting what witnesses described.
What I find ridiculous are the g-forces necessary according to the FDR data to substantiate the official path.
How many witnesses described it?

How many witnesses SAW A FLYOVER OF THE PENTAGON?

 

[Reheat]

Sure, the fork lift to haul the heavy aircraft parts was disguised as a pink elephant! The asbestos suit wearing perps walking into the fire were just ignored as everyone thought they were aliens from space.

Originally Posted by mudlark]
If you are asking if there was oppurtunity for someone to plant anything as you say in ´broad daylight´, of course there was.

There was a raging fire, Bozo. Try some other delusion, that one won't hack it.

Originally Posted by mudlark]
Doesn´t change the fact that there was opportunity.
Remember there was also renovation work and empty offices.
Speculation but again opportunity.

Only if you are an idiot and pretend there was no raging fire.

Originally Posted by mudlark]
Exactly what ´heavy aircraft parts´ are you talking about?

I'm not at all surprised that you don't know. Otherwise you would have rejected this asinine idea in the very beginning.

How much do you reckon a landing gear weighs? You do know they were there, or do you need spoon feeding from someone via a photograph?

 

[dtugg]

Do you deny that the plane flew over the Navy Annex?
I´m presenting what witnesses described.
What I find ridiculous are the g-forces necessary according to the FDR data to substantiate the official path.
How many witnesses described it?

What g-forces? Are you talking about the hockey stick path? Well, only a complete idiot would believe that the "official story" has the plane going on that path. Oh...wait.

 

[Reheat]

What I find ridiculous are the g-forces necessary according to the FDR data to substantiate the official path.
How many witnesses described it?

Another ignoramous who knows nothing about aeronautics. Vertical G's (even if excessive) are not detectable by an unknowledgeable observer, excessive bank is.

 

[bje]

Do you deny that the plane flew over the Navy Annex?
I´m presenting what witnesses described.

NO ONE ever reported what Ranke and you claim. Not this:




Nor this:



It's highly entertaining that you have to avoid supporting your claims of a "flyover" with actual evidence, mudlark. Just imagine ALL those eyewitnesses all around the Pentagon....

 

[tj15]

So the official flight path is wrong. Jamal El'Kournayati confirms this.

 

[tj15]

William Middleton claims to have felt the heat from the plane. Is this possible if the plane is on the south path?

Anyone know?