Flight 175 plane speed challenged

[BenBurch]

I was ON a flight once where I swear the wings were going up and down ten feet constantly.

Wasn't there a 747 that got into some weather and lost lift (I think they inverted) and they recovered it but bent the airframe so badly it never flew again? I think that was before the Internet era, hence why I can't find it in Google. I recall it was an east asian carrier, and the plane landed in LA.

In any case, it would be hard to actually fly the wings off an airliner, even if you were trying to.

 

[Drs_Res]

No problem LashL.

 

[Bell]

I was ON a flight once where I swear the wings were going up and down ten feet constantly.

Airplanes are suppose to flap there wings. How would it otherwise fly?

 

[Corsair 115]

Airplanes are suppose to flap there wings. How would it otherwise fly?

No, you're thinking of ornithopters.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Not just Boeings

 

[NYCEMT86]

Not just Boeings

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What show are those pictures from? I would be interested in watching that.

 

[Bell]

Not just Boeings

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SON OF A ***** !!!

 

[PhantomWolf]

What show are those pictures from? I would be interested in watching that.

No idea. Likely it was a History channel one given the "H" but otherwise.

more info on the insident can be found Here

 

[Bell]

No idea. Likely it was a History channel one given the "H" but otherwise.

more info on the insident can be found Here

Interresting quote in that article:

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnell Douglas and asked for information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer simulations...

How's that for impossible, Smack?

 

[PhantomWolf]

This is one possible for the programme

 

[apathoid]

We were talking about the F-15 incident at work a few weeks ago and we all pretty much agreed that the only thing that kept the airplane from falling out of the sky is sheer power, as well as the lift provided by the fuselage and the huge horizental stabs. Not too many airplanes can get away with losing a wing, but I guess the F-15 is one of them.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

We were talking about the F-15 incident at work a few weeks ago and we all pretty much agreed that the only thing that kept the airplane from falling out of the sky is sheer power, as well as the lift provided by the fuselage and the huge horizental stabs. Not too many airplanes can get away with losing a wing, but I guess the F-15 is one of them.

What, for me, is more amazing, is that the pilot was able to retain sufficient control of the aircraft to land it. The loss of lift I can see being overcome, but the loss of control surface... wowza.

 

[Bell]

We were talking about the F-15 incident at work a few weeks ago and we all pretty much agreed that the only thing that kept the airplane from falling out of the sky is sheer power, as well as the lift provided by the fuselage and the huge horizental stabs. Not too many airplanes can get away with losing a wing, but I guess the F-15 is one of them.

... and Doc Brown's DeLorean!

 

[PhantomWolf]

We were talking about the F-15 incident at work a few weeks ago and we all pretty much agreed that the only thing that kept the airplane from falling out of the sky is sheer power, as well as the lift provided by the fuselage and the huge horizental stabs. Not too many airplanes can get away with losing a wing, but I guess the F-15 is one of them.

Would you believe that a Cessna can fly with only half a wing?

 

[AMTMAN]

We were talking about the F-15 incident at work a few weeks ago and we all pretty much agreed that the only thing that kept the airplane from falling out of the sky is sheer power, as well as the lift provided by the fuselage and the huge horizental stabs. Not too many airplanes can get away with losing a wing, but I guess the F-15 is one of them.

Add the F-14 to the list.

< http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-photo-vf213-06.htm >

 

[Bell]

I'm kind of pleased I brought up the B-17 argument

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'm kind of pleased I brought up the B-17 argument

Well I think that it has demonstrated two very important things in relation to the OP.

1) Planes can stay in the air even with extreme airframe damage.

2) Just because the manufactorer says something is impossible, doesn't actually make it so.

 

[apathoid]

Add the F-14 to the list.

< http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-photo-vf213-06.htm >

C'mon man! That's more wing than an F-104's got...

Seriously, I haven't heard about that particular incident. Did it land safely?

 

[apathoid]

What, for me, is more amazing, is that the pilot was able to retain sufficient control of the aircraft to land it. The loss of lift I can see being overcome, but the loss of control surface... wowza.

The other thing you have to appreciate is the design of the flight control system. If you don't design the airplane with redundancy in mind(ie mutiple cable systems and multiple hydraulic systems) and adequate spacing between the redundant supply/return lines and hyrdaulic reservoirs, as well as failsafes like override linkage and hydraulic fuses - you couldn't even operate the unaffected control surfaces in these types of incidents! It's a good thing engineers design planes with SNAFUs in mind. When things like this happen, it's a testament to both the designers and the very well trained pilots.

 

[SirPhilip]

I can't believe anyone gave this braindead topic this much attention.