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Flight 175 plane speed challenged

If you knew how things worked you would know there is no evidence flight 175 hit the tower.

I disagree. There is ample evidence and you've been shown ample evidence.

On the contrary, you've shown no evidence that allows me to dismiss the mountain of evidence you've dismissed.
 
This is an impossible burden of proof. You know that's not how it works, and never has. Are you willing to dispute the sentencing of every criminal that was convicted based on DNA evidence? Do you have any documented cases of DNA testing in the field?

Actually if they had a good defense lawyer he will question the chain of custody of that DNA and ask how they know it wasn't contaminated at some point in the transfer and testing. Remember OJ?

Can you show me where anyone did this for the 12 from flight 175 or any of the DNA for that matter? Can you show me exactly where the DNA was found for each sample and how it got to the lab and the complete record of it's testing?
 
I disagree. There is ample evidence and you've been shown ample evidence.

On the contrary, you've shown no evidence that allows me to dismiss the mountain of evidence you've dismissed.
It's not about what you think. It's about the fact that there is no evidence that flight 175 was ever definitively proven and identified to be the object to hit the tower. If there was any you wouldn’t haste to present it.
 
Did they DNA match it to family member’s right there at ground zero?

And just how the hell were they supposed to do that? Is everything that comes out of your mouth such absolute fatuousness?

Where are the family members of the victims whose remains were found at Ground Zero and were identified as being passengers of UA Flight 175 and AA Flight 11 who dispute that their loved ones were on those planes? Which families are unsatisfied with the DNA evidence provided that conclusively proves their loved ones perished on those flights? If you can't provide that at the bare minimum then you have absolutely nothing.

So where are they, slick?

Are you saying these people's remains were planted there and they were really murdered by the evil gubmint elsewhere? Something that preposterous obviously demands hard evidence. If that is indeed your contention then you need to do some damn research of your own to back it up rather than just impotently bitch on the internet that us rational people be at your every beck and call to disprove whatever new outrageously ridiculous scenario you can think up next. So you better get crackin', bub. You might want to convince the families of those victims first.
 
Here's a question: If they were going to try to fool everyone into thinking the plane was flight 175, why not just use flight 175?
 
It's not about what you think. It's about the fact that there is no evidence that flight 175 was ever definitively proven and identified to be the object to hit the tower. If there was any you wouldn’t haste to present it.

The families of those victims disagree. You better start convincing them otherwise. Get to it.
 
Can you show me where anyone did this for the 12 from flight 175 or any of the DNA for that matter? Can you show me exactly where the DNA was found for each sample and how it got to the lab and the complete record of it's testing?


Yeah, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable request. :rolleyes:

So you are saying that DNA was faked...essentially. You have any evidence of this? While we are at it, I'd like to see some part numbers and serial numbers that confirm that the aircraft in question was not flight 175, as well as the control tower logbooks and ACARS event reports which showed that flight 175 landed safely. I'd also like to see a video which clearly shows that the registration number was not N612UA.

I'm just asking questions.
 
Here's a question: If they were going to try to fool everyone into thinking the plane was flight 175, why not just use flight 175?

Answer: Zensmack's an imbecile.

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And just how the hell were they supposed to do that? Is everything that comes out of your mouth such absolute fatuousness?

No.

Where are the family members of the victims whose remains were found at Ground Zero and were identified as being passengers of UA Flight 175 and AA Flight 11 who dispute that their loved ones were on those planes? Which families are unsatisfied with the DNA evidence provided that conclusively proves their loved ones perished on those flights? If you can't provide that at the bare minimum then you have absolutely nothing.

Again I never claimed the people didn't exist.

Are you saying these people's remains were planted there and they were really murdered by the evil gubmint elsewhere?
If that is indeed your contention then you need to do some damn research of your own to back it up rather than just impotently bitch on the internet that us rational people be at your every beck and call to disprove whatever new outrageously ridiculous scenario you can think up next. So you better get crackin', bub. You might want to convince the families of those victims first.

Not necessarily. Do you have a CT of your own you would like to get off your chest? They could have but wouldn't it just need to get it to the lab or claimed it was a match?

Oh yeah and you really sound so rational. lol
 
I call on every rational person to stop replying to this ridiculous line of questioning until Zensmack actually brings something new to the table. This is beyond stupid.

This thread's done. Zensmack has nothing. Put a fork in him.
 
Assumptions and assertions aren't evidence. Debunking one CT even if you could doesn't prove your CT.

It's not assumptions nor assertions. You just simply want them to be. The evidence has been shown to you and it's not even contestable. Yet the claims you make are nothing BUT assumptions and assertions, excluding the stuff that is pure conjecture. All you are doing is simply claiming anything you don't like is not evidence. You have yet to bring up a legitimate argument.



Where did I claim explosives were used to create fireballs?

I could be mistaking you with someone else. But given the cliche logic and arguments, it's really hard to tell some of you guys apart.

That's funny coming from someone who can't even backup this post.

The only one who can't back anything up is you. You have been given everything you have asked for and simply reject it out of ignorance.

Cherry pick some real evidence. Be my guest. Evidence is also not a popularity contest.

You clearly don't even understand the concept of evidence to begin with, and you just further proved it.

This post goes beyond any sense.

As if the OP has any sense? A claim by a software programer used to contest that of real experts. Yeah, that makes complete sense.

So we have evidence (a lot of it) showing flight 175 hit the WTC. What evidence do you have showing it did not hit? Please list it out for us as we have done for you.
 
Yeah, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable request.

Thanks. Now where is it?

So you are saying that DNA was faked...essentially. You have any evidence of this?

Not necessarily but maybe. They did exist at some point.

While we are at it, I'd like to see some part numbers and serial numbers that confirm that the aircraft in question was not flight 175, as well as the control tower logbooks and ACARS event reports which showed that flight 175 landed safely. I'd also like to see a video which clearly shows that the registration number was not N612UA.

Why would they do that after all trouble they went to?

I'm just asking questions.

Ask away. BTW got any evidence flight 175 was identified to have been the object to hit the tower?
 
Did they DNA match it to family member’s right there at ground zero?
Uhm, let me take a guess. No, they didn't do it right there at Ground Zero. Why in the devil would they? HOW in hell could they? Do you have any idea how DNA identification is done? Let me take a wild guess...

Man, just when you think they are as stupid as they can get, they go and show you they haven't come close to the bottom.

Oh, this is your cue for another snide and meaningless comment, that underscores your lack of imagination.

We now return to your regular stupidity...
 
I call on every rational person to stop replying to this ridiculous line of questioning until Zensmack actually brings something new to the table. This is beyond stupid.

This thread's done. Zensmack has nothing. Put a fork in him.
See ya. Come back when you have evidence.

I won't be holding my breath.
 
Uhm, let me take a guess. No, they didn't do it right there at Ground Zero. Why in the devil would they? HOW in hell could they? Do you have any idea how DNA identification is done? Let me take a wild guess...

Man, just when you think they are as stupid as they can get, they go and show you they haven't come close to the bottom.

Oh, this is your cue for another snide and meaningless comment, that underscores your lack of imagination.

We now return to your regular stupidity...

Yeah that was my point. Congratulations on your reading skills and your ability to catch on so quickly.

geez
 
FAA controllers were in constant radio contact with UA175 from the moment it rotated off the runway until the aircraft was hijacked. This gives us proof positive that an incident occurred on UA175.

In additiona FAA controllers were in constant radar contact with UA175 from the moment it took off until it hit the WTC.





I have no idea how you got "video" from "United Airlines employees". UA employees were on the aircraft. UA employees communicated with the aircraft. UA employees tracked the aircraft. UA employees spoke to people on the aircraft. Their accounts all reflect the accepted account of what happened.

As for your "rebuttal that was not"; video is, and can be, evidence. You saying otherwise does not make it so.






I don't have a clue what you mean by this. FAA radar data is recorded. The recorded data shows UA175's transponder code being changed twice at 0847EDT. The radar data then tracks UA175 as it deviates from its flightpath and descends rapidly as it approaches New York. The final radar return for UA175 is at 1,000ft in close proximity to the WTC.

This radar data is primary evidence supporting the accepted account of what happened to UA175. In order to disprove this account you will need to refute this evidence. And it is evidence. You claiming otherwise does not make it so.






It means that there was an incident on UA175 between 0842EDT and 0847EDT that incapacitated the pilots.





The accounts those on the aircraft provided match the flight profile of UA175. Your argument can only be true if one of the following is true:

1) The crew and passengers on board UA175 are in on the conspiracy

2) By sheer coincidence, Al Qaeda terrorists hijacked UA175, killed the pilots, took over the plane and descended rapidly towards a city to ram it into a building on the exact same day that some other organisation decided to ram a 767 into WTC2, and managed to do so without anyone at all noticing.

Both of the above are patently absurd, and you know it.





It is a matter of fact that the following five people were passengers on UA175:

Marwan Yousef al-Shehhi
Born in the UAE to a Muslim Cleric. Travelled to Germany to study in February 1996, forming the Hamburg Cell with Mohammed Atta and Ramzi Binalshibh in 1999.
Became increasingly radical and outspoken in his Islamic beliefs before travelling to Kandahar in late 1999 to train with Al Qaeda. In March 2000 he returned to Germany where he began learning to fly an airliner. In April 2000 he arrived in the USA.
He and Mohammed Atta trained at a Venice, Florida flight school and logged hundreds of hours on a Boeing 727 simulator before receiving their licenses in December 2000.
In August 2001 Mossad informs the CIA that he is one of 19 terrorist planning a major operation in the near future.
At approximately 7.25EDT on September 11, 2001, he boarded United Airlines Flight 175 and was in seat 6C.

Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan al-Qadi Banihammad
Also from the UAE, and also a licensed pilot, Fayez purchased both his own and Mohand's tickets for UA175. He sat in seat 2A.

Mohand al-Shehri
One of five 9/11 hijackers to come from Asir province in Saudi Arabia, his devotion to Wahhabiism resulted in him failing his studies at Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University.
In early 2000 he travelled to fight in Chechnya before travelling to the USA in May 2001. He occasionally trained on flight simulators along with other 9/11 hijackers.
On September 10th, 2001 he spent the night in a hotel with three other hijackers. The following day he boarded UA175, sitting in 2B.

Hamza al-Ghamdi
Met up with fellow devout hijackers in Saudi Arabia in 1999 before going to fight in Chechnya in early 2000. He entered the USA in May 2001, and purchased his and Ahmed al-Ghamdi's tickets for UA175. He sat in seat 9C.

Ahmed Salah al-Ghamdi
Met up with fellow devout hijackers in Saudi Arabia in 1999 before going to fight in Chechnya in early 2000. He arrived in the US in May 2001. He sat in 9D on UA175.

The above five individuals were the only persons on UA175 with arabic names. A male flight attendant on UA175 identified some of their seat numbers in a phone call.

The above five people hijacked UA175 and killed the pilots.





The profile for UA175, in terms of the hijacking, the passengers, the transponder change, and the deviation of flight path, all match the profile of the other three flights hijacked on 9/11. Collectively, amongst the four flights there is substantial evidence to account for what happened on board.





Individually, it is evidence that a United Airlines Boeing 767, in that place at that time, hit WTC2.




Individually, it is evidence that a United Airlines Boeing 767, in that place at that time, hit WTC2.




Individually, it is evidence that a United Airlines Boeing 767, in that place at that time, hit WTC2.




Almost certainly.




So the FBI was part of the conspiracy? Why?





Um, no. That's incorrect. A confession is not sufficient evidence for a High Court indictment, especially when the FBI do not have chain of custody for the video.

You don't seem to understand what circumstantial evidence is. Circumstantial evidence is the primary method by which people are successfully prosecuted for crimes. Circumstantial evidence is often much more powerful than direct evidence, specifically because it is far, far harder to fake.

The evidence I listed is circumstantial evidence which irrefutably proves that UA175 was hijacked and hit WTC2.

-Gumboot


A superb summation of the evidence, Gumboot. It demonstrates more than just the flimsy, insubstantial nature of the fantasist case: it highlights the fundamental dishonesty of those who slander innocent people in order to exonerate the jihadists.
 
No.



Again I never claimed the people didn't exist.

This reply makes no sense. What happened to these people then, Zen? They were on those planes. Their family members think they are dead.

Not necessarily. Do you have a CT of your own you would like to get off your chest? They could have but wouldn't it just need to get it to the lab or claimed it was a match?

Oh yeah and you really sound so rational. lol

Hundreds of researchers identified these remains. They actually handled them and tested them and catalogued them. Every single researcher was in on the conspiracy? You need to prove this to the family members whose loved ones are missing, rather than bitching about it on the internet. How come I know you won't?
 
Not necessarily but maybe. They did exist at some point.


Not necessarily but maybe.......? Do you or do you not have any evidence that the DNA was planted or faked. It's a simple question.


Ask away. BTW got any evidence flight 175 was identified to have been the object to hit the tower?

:hb:

Now you are saying DNA of passengers is not evidence unless someone can "show me where anyone did this for the 12 from flight 175 or any of the DNA for that matter? Can you show me exactly where the DNA was found for each sample and how it got to the lab and the complete record of it's testing?" . Unfortunately for you, no one has to do anything of the sort.

You have our evidence, where is yours?
 
Yeah that was my point. Congratulations on your reading skills and your ability to catch on so quickly.

geez
No, your point was that the chain of custody couldn't be trusted. Got that. It's just this comment is so stupid on its face, that you even made it shows how there is no way any kind of evidence anywhere of any sort would ever satisfy you. Guess we just forget about ever using DNA in any court. Or fingerprints. Or fiber evidence. I mean, there are chains of custody required for those as well, and they could be faked as well! Let's just open the jails and let everyone go, they all were framed!

My goodness, do you even try? Geez, come on, come up with something that makes some sense!
 

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