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theprestige said:
That's the wrong sample set, though. To get a proper estimate of his religion, you'll have to look at the demographics of Bosnian refugees in Australia.

The only way your estimate works is if the distribution was even before the refugees started leaving, and if the refugees left in an even distribution, and went to Australia in the an even distribution.
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You could also consider his name, Basic (which I presume is actually Bašić).

Wikipedia tells me that's a South Slavic name and the South Slavs are mostly Orthodox or Catholic with a minority of Muslims, but I'm drawing a blank on whether the name strongly implies one religion or another.
 
I think that theprestige forgot that it would be even better to look at the demographics of Bosnian refugees in that particular area of Australia. But it would probably be much easier to simply ask about that particular Bosnian immigrant since theprestige doesn't have any of those 'distributions' anyway ....
 
I fail to see any wider implications from this, unlike police murdering unarmed black males.

Is there any wider significance to a person with a history of accusations (I gathered from skimming so correct me if I'm wrong) accusing a white male of anything?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I fail to see any wider implications from this, unlike police murdering unarmed black males.

Is there any wider significance to a person with a history of accusations (I gathered from skimming so correct me if I'm wrong) accusing a white male of anything?
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The person who was accused is a Bosnian refugee, and if I understand things correctly, refugees are a hot topic in Australia right now. Is it possible that may have escalated the situation?
 
It all depends on how you write stuff. A lot of this story comes from the fevered imagination of tabloid trash writers who favour lurid sex paperbacks to actual real news.

Turns out:
1) He wasn't serving a gaol term at all. He was held on remand at a detention facility in Silverwater Gaol. It so happens that Silverwater, like a number of our gaols, also has a maximum security unit (elsewhere on the property). He was not in that unit. So it makes better copy to say "he was held in Silverwater maximum security", even though that is actually a big fib.

2) He wasn't held for two weeks, it was less than one. As soon as the police realised there was a problem with the claimant, he was immediately released. Again, it makes better copy to say "he was held for two weeks", even though that is actually another fib.

Regardless of the actual rights and wrongs here, these two points alone indicate the editors have a "result" they want to push (anti-feminist, women always lie, poor downtrodden men, etc.) and were quite prepared to slant the writing to accommodate that. And it's the Daily Mail. Bingo.

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...g/news-story/db94f77055cef79804ecc9194355216c
 
Norman Alexander said:
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Turns out:
1) He wasn't serving a gaol term at all. He was held on remand at a detention facility in Silverwater Gaol. It so happens that Silverwater, like a number of our gaols, also has a maximum security unit (elsewhere on the property). He was not in that unit. So it makes better copy to say "he was held in Silverwater maximum security", even though that is actually a big fib.

2) He wasn't held for two weeks, it was less than one. As soon as the police realised there was a problem with the claimant, he was immediately released. Again, it makes better copy to say "he was held for two weeks", even though that is actually another fib.
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If he was locked up behind bars, he probably didn't think much about which wing he was in. And a week is a week too long on false charges.

I ask again, don't they have bail in Australia? In the U.S., depending on the jurisdiction, most defendants can get released on either personal recognizance or cash bail.
 
one of the problem with the cash bail system in the US is if you work for low wages you can't really front that kind of cash. Also, if you get arrested on a Thursday afternoon, you're in holding until Monday afternoon. At least, thats how it works in NYC.

I can imagine Australia having similar issues.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I fail to see any wider implications from this, unlike police murdering unarmed black males.

Is there any wider significance to a person with a history of accusations (I gathered from skimming so correct me if I'm wrong) accusing a white male of anything?
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I see no wider significance, either. Yes, false accusations are obnoxious, and I'm sure terrifying if you're the one being accused, and I'm happy with the outcome here. But they happen, at a small percentage for every crime.

I'm generally against prison for anything for any offense that can't harm others (shootings, DUIs, gross negligence), but a fine is reasonable here.
 
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Bob001 said:
If he was locked up behind bars, he probably didn't think much about which wing he was in. And a week is a week too long on false charges.

I ask again, don't they have bail in Australia? In the U.S., depending on the jurisdiction, most defendants can get released on either personal recognizance or cash bail.
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He was held “bail refused”, based on the lies told to the court, “....Magistrate Elaine Truscott described him as a “predator”.”
 
Mumbles said:
I see no wider significance, either. Yes, false accusations are obnoxious, and I'm sure terrifying if you're the one being accused, and I'm happy with the outcome here. But they happen, at a small percentage for every crime.

I'm generally against prison for anything for any offense that can't harm others (shootings, DUIs, gross negligence), but a fine is reasonable here.
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Does false imprisonment make your list of "harming others" (I realize you are being more specific than just "harm", here)?
It does for me
 
I don't see how the article can flatly state she was lying. Maybe she initially told the truth then later lied about lying.

That is not what I think happened, but I'm insanely picky that way. It's easy enough to include proper attribution.
 
Donal said:
So, they actually investigated her claims and determined she was lying? How about that?

Its like, if you let these accusations actually go through the proper procedures instead of just accusing the women of lying and dismissing it, you get to some sort of truth.
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Let's just ignore the fact that just the accusation ****** his life, and pretend once rape is on the table it isn't guilty till proven innocent.

If there wasn't video evidence there would be 60 per cent of people minimum saying to lock him up with big bubba. Then another 20 per cent who do feel he shouldn't be branded a rapist without evidence but don't want to be branded a rape apologist so they say it to.

There is a difference between being able to prosecute a case and taking a claim seriously. The whole " no one believes women" trope is literally the polar opposite of reality. Any women could walk out of a bar bathroom point to a random guy, say he assaulted her and have a 50/50 chance someone doesn't even call the cops but just kicks the **** out of him.

Police not being able to prosecute, and people in general believing are two majorly separate topics.
 
I think it just depends on the group you're around. Most people probably just look at each accusation they hear about as a separate event, and assess it accordingly. (I want to believe that, anyway.) I do personally seem to know more people who think women lie about or exaggerate rape all the time than I do "believe all women" types.

In recent years, I have seen major backlash. A male friend who'd had too much to drink recently confessed to me that he takes any story of rape that occurred at a college or university with a truckload of salt. I didn't even know how to respond to that. He seemed to feel that many young women are redefining bad sex as rape.

I don't think I'd talk about rape with anybody now. I think many people don't believe such stories, even if they act like they do, and I also think that many of the "listen and believe" crowd are just acting supportive for their own egos and goodness-affirmation. They don't really care whether I'm telling the truth or not. I'm a political toy to them.


Basically, I think both statements are true. If you're a raped woman, it will feel like no one believes you. And if you're a man (or woman I guess?) falsely accused of rape, you're going to feel like the whole world is grabbing their pitchforks. In both cases, the person will find that people seldom actually care about them.
 
Minoosh said:
I don't see how the article can flatly state she was lying. Maybe she initially told the truth then later lied about lying.
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It's quite easy at this point, by the time that article was written she'd already pleaded guilty to doing so.
 
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