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I disagree with this. What country was going to invade us, and for what reason? And why do you think they would have stood a chance against our rather formidable military?
Firearm ID cards for Americans
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I disagree with this. What country was going to invade us, and for what reason? And why do you think they would have stood a chance against our rather formidable military?
leftysergeant
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Banning guns would create a black market. Requiring a title for firearms, and certification to own them would incovenience the black market and limit the number of sales that could be made.
Innocent persons would be relieved of the worry of unknowingly buying a stolen weapon. Persons posessing weapons for ilegal sale would be prosecutable just on that basis. Stolen guns ( a large part of the stock of the blackmarket) would be more easily recoverable.
All these concerns are, of course, outweighed in some people's minds, by the threat of confiscation by a rogue government.
That's why I would really love to see us return to the original concept of the citizen militia. (Not the whackjob version of it sponsored by terrorists like Trochmann et al.)
Innocent persons would be relieved of the worry of unknowingly buying a stolen weapon. Persons posessing weapons for ilegal sale would be prosecutable just on that basis. Stolen guns ( a large part of the stock of the blackmarket) would be more easily recoverable.
All these concerns are, of course, outweighed in some people's minds, by the threat of confiscation by a rogue government.
That's why I would really love to see us return to the original concept of the citizen militia. (Not the whackjob version of it sponsored by terrorists like Trochmann et al.)
Can you tell us more about how the ID law works in NZ? Are there very few illegally owned guns there? The murder rate decreased as a result of the law? Thanks.
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In Canada, the rate of all firearms deaths has decreased since firearms laws were tightened in 1993. I'm going by memory here, from what I remember from my restricted firearms safety textbook. However, the only real impact statistically in overall deaths was accidental deaths. People simply started killing themselves and others with knives and bludgeons. Sorry I don't have any hard numbers at hand.
I don't think it's a bad thing to have to pass a test that shows you know the basics of safe handling, storage and transport of firearms and ammunition, as well as the basics of the Firearms Act. There is a small fee to register for the exam. The written test takes about fifteen minutes, the practical test takes another half-hour or so. If you pass both parts with at least a mark of eighty percent, you have the written confirmation you need to apply for a Posession and Acquisition Licence.
Of course, this is no guarantee that people will observe the laws and use safe handling practices. Regulation will never eliminate foolishness and recklessness. I can think of several instances where individuals had passed the necessary exams and still acted irresponsibly around firearms, with death resulting in one case.
As far as the black market is concerned, handguns and the like are readily available for sale if you know the right folks to ask. You might have to look a little harder to find contraband weapons in Canada as compared to our southern neighbours, and they are far more expensive, but I'd imagine anyone who wants one can get one.
I don't think it's a bad thing to have to pass a test that shows you know the basics of safe handling, storage and transport of firearms and ammunition, as well as the basics of the Firearms Act. There is a small fee to register for the exam. The written test takes about fifteen minutes, the practical test takes another half-hour or so. If you pass both parts with at least a mark of eighty percent, you have the written confirmation you need to apply for a Posession and Acquisition Licence.
Of course, this is no guarantee that people will observe the laws and use safe handling practices. Regulation will never eliminate foolishness and recklessness. I can think of several instances where individuals had passed the necessary exams and still acted irresponsibly around firearms, with death resulting in one case.
As far as the black market is concerned, handguns and the like are readily available for sale if you know the right folks to ask. You might have to look a little harder to find contraband weapons in Canada as compared to our southern neighbours, and they are far more expensive, but I'd imagine anyone who wants one can get one.